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| As a Wakefield fan and a rugby fan I'm afraid your club is getting short changed from this half back he really is not good enough apart from an odd good kick .
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| Once again failing to take control on the last. Passing to the deck and blowing a massive overlap.
It's thus far a standard Smith half.
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| A club as big as yours should be getting better if you had a player like Danny brough Leeds would not of won the treble last year
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| I don't think he is anything more than a solid pro. Tonight though I think Powell is the problem. He looks tired and we need some bodies back to give him a rest. Powell's distribution has been poor often putting Smith in a difficult situation as he's not getting good ball.
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| Smith needs to step up and take control and not go missing Wigan need a leader not someone who is playing hide and seek. The only reason he has ever been an international is because he wears a Wigan shirt now it's time he started playing like a Wigan player
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| That bloomin' virus is cropping it's ugly head up again. I hope Wigan get shut of it at half-time.
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| Must be reading this lol
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| Quote ="housecat"As a Wakefield fan and a rugby fan I'm afraid your club is getting short changed from this half back he really is not good enough apart from an odd good kick .'"
How big a bell end do you feel now?
Wigan fans know he hasn't been good enough but i would still take him over Finn any day of the week. You will see a different Smith when he has Williams and Tomkins running off him.
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| Never once have I compared him to Finn . How old are you what are you going to post next my dad's bigger than yours . Idiot . The only reason you won tonight was wane getting to the ref . Watch it back later if you don't need to be up for school lol
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| Quote ="housecat"Never once have I compared him to Finn . How old are you what are you going to post next my dad's bigger than yours . Idiot . The only reason you won tonight was wane getting to the ref . Watch it back later if you don't need to be up for school lol'"
If you honestly believe that last statement you know very little about this sport.
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| Bateman was the reason we won tonight. Smith had a good last 15 but we should have had that game closed out long before that given the field position we had.
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| Batemans just incredible.
I have to hand it to Smith. I was fuming with his first half performance but he really got it together after the break. We still need far more from him and he can't control a game for his life at the moment without those pivots of Tomkins, Williams and Lockers round him but he showed plenty of guts to dig it out.
He's crying out to fade back in to the background when those lads are back and to get back to just doing the basics without any heat on him. I suppose a Wigan scrum half should produce more but he plays within his limits around better players and completes a solid job.
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| Matty Smith is currently the worst half back in the league. He is a player who has the experience to direct his players and put himself in positions that allow him to manage the game better however apart from 2 drop goals, 3 conversions and a try today he was terrible. I think Wigan need a new halfback for next year as he isn't quality enough for you IMO.
John Bateman however was the best player on the pitch and I am looking forward to seeing plenty more from him.
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| Quote ="housecat"Never once have I compared him to Finn . How old are you what are you going to post next my dad's bigger than yours . Idiot . The only reason you won tonight was wane getting to the ref . Watch it back later if you don't need to be up for school lol'"
Why do Wakey fans think that we a rivals all of a sudden because they beat us? I respect your input on another teams players but to come on here in the middle of a match and ridicule somebody before the game has finished is ridiculous.
And my dad probably is bigger than yours. He is 6ft 6" although he is at the age now where he is wilting a little. And i don't 'lol' because i am 31. What does it even mean? i have heard a few different things. 'lot's of laughs' 'laugh out loud' ' lots of love' 'love off Leeds'
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| Quote ="The Dreadnought"Matty Smith is currently the worst half back in the league. He is a player who has the experience to direct his players and put himself in positions that allow him to manage the game better however apart from 2 drop goals, 3 conversions and a try today he was terrible. I think Wigan need a new halfback for next year as he isn't quality enough for you IMO.
John Bateman however was the best player on the pitch and I am looking forward to seeing plenty more from him.'"
That sounds a bit like saying a striker in football had a stinker apart from his hatrick but I know what you mean.
Smith is drowning in expectation at points. He isn't good enough to run games when he's missing his halfback partner, his full back, his hooker and his ball playing loose forward but when he's alongside them he can just do the basics and tick us over.
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| Quote ="NickyKiss"That sounds a bit like saying a striker in football had a stinker apart from his hatrick but I know what you mean.
Smith is drowning in expectation at points. He isn't good enough to run games when he's missing his halfback partner, his full back, his hooker and his ball playing loose forward but when he's alongside them he can just do the basics and tick us over.'"
I don't think I made myself clear, plenty of players in your squad could of also took them opportunities that Matty Smith was presented with. The conversions were not the hardest and the try could have been scored by anyone who was in support. You are missing your spine of your team yes, but Wigan need and can have more than a basic half back. The size of your club and the financial aspect of it could attract much higher quality halfback.
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| Here we go again just remind me did Wigan win or loose this game !!!!! Just an idea ok maybe just maybe get off a players back and support him and the team who play the game week in week out. I get bored or reading the same rubbish smith this smith that / gelling this gelling that and any other player you feel like you need to have a go at this week next week .........the guy scores a try 2 drop goals and 100% kicking for the 2nd week and AGAIN he can't do right for doing wrong...... Here's a thing for you all the armchair coaches / gurus of the game why aren't you playing for Wigan then ???????? Are you that crap you can't do better ...... He's playing without the 1st choice fullback / 1st choice hooker / 1st choice loose forward all pivotal players and just before I get jumped on yes he did play better when Blake green was here and did well when he was out for a few months but guess what !!!! He had a 1st choice fullback and hooker and loose forward on the pitch with him.... So simple support the guys who put there body on the pitch week after week or don't and support a team who meets your stupid high expectations...... It is not the 1980s when Wigan walked everything ok ...... Many have said and I agree the standard of SL this season is poor and has been getting poorer every year so support the players / coach / and Wigan RL or go watch sts / Leigh ..... Just an idea
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| I find the notion that a win should exclude any player from criticism very odd.
Personally I judge on performance not results. I thought we were poor again tonight despite the win. Smith for 60 minutes was shocking. The field position and pressure we built resulted in nothing.
Give we a good performance in a loss over a win and the dross we had to watch today.
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| Quote ="The Dreadnought"I don't think I made myself clear, plenty of players in your squad could of also took them opportunities that Matty Smith was presented with. The conversions were not the hardest and the try could have been scored by anyone who was in support. You are missing your spine of your team yes, but Wigan need and can have more than a basic half back. The size of your club and the financial aspect of it could attract much higher quality halfback.'"
I fully agree. We're a good side but swap the scrum halfs round tonight and we'd be a better side. What I mean is we can hide him in a full strength team but we shouldn't need to do that.
If I went though every side in superleague currently there's only 2 or 3 who I wouldn't swap scrum halfs with.
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| Quote ="stuwiganman"Here we go again just remind me did Wigan win or loose this game !!!!! Just an idea ok maybe just maybe get off a players back and support him and the team who play the game week in week out. I get bored or reading the same rubbish smith this smith that / gelling this gelling that and any other player you feel like you need to have a go at this week next week .........the guy scores a try 2 drop goals and 100% kicking for the 2nd week and AGAIN he can't do right for doing wrong...... Here's a thing for you all the armchair coaches / gurus of the game why aren't you playing for Wigan then ???????? Are you that crap you can't do better ...... He's playing without the 1st choice fullback / 1st choice hooker / 1st choice loose forward all pivotal players and just before I get jumped on yes he did play better when Blake green was here and did well when he was out for a few months but guess what !!!! He had a 1st choice fullback and hooker and loose forward on the pitch with him.... So simple support the guys who put there body on the pitch week after week or don't and support a team who meets your stupid high expectations...... It is not the 1980s when Wigan walked everything ok ...... Many have said and I agree the standard of SL this season is poor and has been getting poorer every year so support the players / coach / and Wigan RL or go watch sts / Leigh ..... Just an idea'"
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| Quote ="jonh"I find the notion that a win should exclude any player from criticism very odd.
Personally I judge on performance not results. I thought we were poor again tonight despite the win. Smith for 60 minutes was shocking. The field position and pressure we built resulted in nothing.
Give we a good performance in a loss over a win and the dross we had to watch today.'"
Give me a tough win in an ordinary performance when we're shy of 8 players again over an entertaining loss any day of the week.
I went on a bit of a rant at the ground when Sarginson scored praising the sheer desire to win these players have shown all season. We've been decimated and still are but the attitude has been spot on yet I come on here and read the side being bagged week in week out by a section of supporters.
I'm not throwing this at you solely by the way but I wonder sometimes if people are looking at the personnel missing when they complain that we're not exactly an entertainment machine at the minute.
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| I predicted a tough game and we got it. Two points wrapped up, another 7 full days to get a few of our walking wounded back. Lockers & Manfredi are due back I believe. We should be more confident going to the HJ that when they came to the DW.
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| Quote ="MattyB"I predicted a tough game and we got it. Two points wrapped up, another 7 full days to get a few of our walking wounded back. Lockers & Manfredi are due back I believe. We should be more confident going to the HJ that when they came to the DW.'"
Wane has said post match there's a chance Manfredi, Williams, Lockers, Joel Tomkins, Crosby and Farrell will all be back.
Even more pleasing is that he expects Sam Tomkins to feature the following week against Dewsbury.
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| Quote ="NickyKiss"Give me a tough win in an ordinary performance when we're shy of 8 players again over an entertaining loss any day of the week.
I went on a bit of a rant at the ground when Sarginson scored praising the sheer desire to win these players have shown all season. We've been decimated and still are but the attitude has been spot on yet I come on here and read the side being bagged week in week out by a section of supporters.
I'm not throwing this at you solely by the way but I wonder sometimes if people are looking at the personnel missing when they complain that we're not exactly an entertainment machine at the minute.'"
We scraped a win against the bottom of the league side who also have a number of players missing. We bombed a few overlaps due to our lack of basic ability to pass a ball. We had field position and enough possession to dominate that game from start to finish.
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| Quote ="jonh"
Give we a good performance in a loss over a win and the dross we had to watch today.'"
With the team we had available, a 4-try win against a side that recently beat and nilled our closest challengers? I'll take that anytime.
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