Former Warrington captian Kevin Ashcroft speaking to MEN and he believes that Warrinton vs Wigan is a bigger derby than Wigan Vs Saints. I think Friday's game is possibly bigger game due to being 1st vs 2nd but a better derby hmmm kappa.ecommzone.com/lz/WIGANW/00 ... story1.htm

Former Warrington captian Kevin Ashcroft speaking to MEN and he believes that Warrinton vs Wigan is a bigger derby than Wigan Vs Saints. I think Friday's game is possibly bigger game due to being 1st vs 2nd but a better derby hmmm kappa.ecommzone.com/lz/WIGANW/00 ... story1.htm

Not a cat in hell's chance!

For the last time NO!

It feels like it this year, but that's only because suddenly Wigan and Warrington are both the real deal.

Not since the late 1980s have we had a situation where Wigan and Warrington were both at the top of the table, and good for it.

I still think that, generally speaking, Wigan v Saints is a bigger derby.

Nowhere in there does he claim this to be the biggest derby.

He simply states that because so much depends on the outcome, THIS MATCH (i.e. *Not* every Wigan v Wire match) is bigger than your average Wigan v Saints Derby.

He is comparing it to a derby, not claiming it as one.

This match is bigger. In terms of the bigger derby, wire are nowhere really.

Still the Wigan v Wire derby is now one of the biggest IMO.

Wire v Wigan on the pitch is bigger than Leeds V Bradford, Hull V Hull KR, Cas V Wakefield just for entertainment value alone, but never will it beat the passion and the excitement of Saints V Wigan. It was on the VT that the term 'derby' was first used for a Wigan Vs St Helens match - why we never use this when promoting the games ill never know!

Edit: This is what was posted: "The term 'derby' in sport actually comes from the Wigan-Saints derby as Lord Derby used to arrange the game in victorian times (i think). Why RL and the two clubs don't advertise this I don't know, someone as rich as Lord Derby would be a tremendous asset for RL."

Wire are our third most important derby team. However, this particular game is massive.

If you are thinking Leigh is big then think again. Untill they get back in super league and can compete with us Leigh is merely a bus stop.

As is now posted on the club website in the late 1940s until about 1954 the Wigan / wire match was much bigger than the Saints match. I lived in Golborne and went to school in Newton and the rivalry between wigan and warrington fans was much more intense than with saints fans

Absolutly not. This year its a huge game because of League position, and while I hate Wire at the moment, Saints are our biggest rivals imo.

Massive game tomoz no doubt, but NOTHING is bigger than Wigan/Saints

I kind of get where he's coming from with this. There was a time in the late 80's/early 90's when Wigan/Widnes seemed a bigger fixture (and derby I suppose) than Wigan/Saints

In terms of this season it's our biggest match so far but nothing will ever mean more to Wigan fans them from t'other side of billinge hill. Anyone who says otherwise shouldn't call themselves a Wigan fan

Not a chance.

Wigan v Leigh is a bigger derby.

Nice one, that might upset the Dire, but who cares?

Wigan v Saints
Wigan v Leigh









Wigan v Warrington

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what a joke

it never will be bigger than wigan v saints

Nah, just because Leigh aren't in the same league as us does not simply make the traditional rivalry and history just disappear. Wire don't even register on my radar, =#FF4000cut it out. Pemps.

To put a wendy ball spin on this
Liverpool vs everton is the derby
wire are the tramere of the set

it will allways be Wigan vs saints

I remember a similar thread to this being started on the old version of this forum (Peapoi might recall?).
Probably back-end of the 90's / very early 00's - Stating that the Whino's games had become more important than the Saints Derby.
Like Wire this year, Leeds games did mean far more in terms of league position back then.
But 'bigger' than THE Derby??
Not in a million years.


I dislike Wire in my thoughts - But for the Saints? It comes from my heart & soul!
And i know which one means the most...

Kevin Ashcroft is a joke, Wigan could be top of the league and Saints at the bottom of the league and Wig v Sts would still be the biggest derby........period.

I agree with the rest Saints is your Derby.

What I don't get though is when Wigan fans would rather Saints win then Wire can't understand that.

Agreed.

I support two teams.

Wigan & Any team that Stains are playing.