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| Think the only question here is does fielden deserve his place? Lets be honest hes done nothing for years now and his performance was the only negative from friday night and personally i'd bring Bailey back and use Mossop as prop.
Phelps
Roberts Gleeson Carmont Richards
Sam Leuluai
Prescott Riddell Coley
Hansen Bailey
Joel
Mossop Feka Goulding Flanagan.
But we all know its gonna be a straight swap Bailey for Flanagan, Noble wont drop his golden boy
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| I think Carmont may be rested.
In that case it would be Goulding at centre and Bailey to replace Goulding on the bench.
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| Quote ="Rogues Gallery"I think Carmont may be rested.
In that case it would be Goulding at centre and Bailey to replace Goulding on the bench.'"
Good call, someone we can afford to rest
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| Quote ="Mother Feka"Think the only question here is does fielden deserve his place? Lets be honest hes done nothing for years now and his performance was the only negative from friday night and personally i'd bring Bailey back and use Mossop as prop.
Phelps
Roberts Gleeson Carmont Richards
Sam Leuluai
Prescott Riddell Coley
Hansen Bailey
Joel
Mossop Feka Goulding Flanagan.
But we all know its gonna be a straight swap Bailey for Flanagan, Noble wont drop his golden boy
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Fielden wont be dropped. If Bailey is recalled I would drop Hansen. Offers nout goin forward. If Mossop is dropped it is a joke.
Goulding played really well and Gleeson moving to 6 seems to be working well so you cannot drop Goulding.
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| Quote ="- Neil -"Doesnt take enough ball in.'"
Well I suppose if it's not Riddell/Roberts then it has to be someone who gets it this week!
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| Hansens work rate was immense. He played the full 80, and was our top tackle maker.
I was speaking to someone at the reserve game yesterday, who's opinion I really respect, who who thinks that Hansen could be bulked up to become a top class "workhorse" prop forward.
Food for thought?
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| I agree Carmont should be rested, we really need him for the semi final so,
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Sam
Tommy
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Hansen
Flanagan
Joel
Feka
Fielden(isnt gunna get dropped)
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Goulding
Any news on Lockers injury?
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| Quote ="Jukesays"Well I suppose if it's not Riddell/Roberts then it has to be someone who gets it this week!'"
Hardly this week. In this day and age we need second rowers who can do the full work that means take the team forward as well as defend. He doesnt do it. Ive said this all along.
As I said in another thread. Mossop came on and went looking for the ball and took the team forward and during his spell on the field we started to control the game.
Either way having thought about it if Bailey is fit he will probably replace Flannagan which is fair enough.
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| Quote ="Rogues Gallery"Hansens work rate was immense. He played the full 80, and was our top tackle maker.
I was speaking to someone at the reserve game yesterday, who's opinion I really respect, who who thinks that Hansen could be bulked up to become a top class "workhorse" prop forward.
Food for thought?'"
No chance, he doesnt take the ball in.
Defence is brilliant yeah but when your stuck in your half on the back foot you need your forward taking you forward.
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| Quote ="Rogues Gallery"Hansens work rate was immense. He played the full 80, and was our top tackle maker.
I was speaking to someone at the reserve game yesterday, who's opinion I really respect, who who thinks that Hansen could be bulked up to become a top class "workhorse" prop forward.
Food for thought?'"
For god's sake Brian!!!!!!!
If we don't criticise Hansen this Week then WHo are we going to criticise!!!!!!!!!!
Despite the fact he carries more ball up per game than Joel and makes more tackles per game than Joel and less errors and less penalties can't you just accept that Joel is flavour of the month and Now it has to be someone elses turn to be scapegoat!!!!!!!!
Sorry just had a quick look and guess what? He takes the ball in almost as much as Bailey and makes Many more tackles!!!!!!!!!
If this had been 6 weeks ago everyone would be saying get rid of Bailey but now again He's flavour of the Month so lets pcik on someone else!
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Joel was VERY GOOD on Friday and not having a go just making a comparison to highlight how ridiculous the OP's Statement was.
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| Hansen doesn't have the impact for a prop forward.
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| Quote ="Rogues Gallery"Hansens work rate was immense. He played the full 80, and was our top tackle maker.
I was speaking to someone at the reserve game yesterday, who's opinion I really respect, who who thinks that Hansen could be bulked up to become a top class "workhorse" prop forward.
Food for thought?'"
I agree with what your saying Brian... though i would keep him purely for the best dive i have ever seen against leeds... he dove from the half way line
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| Same team bar Bailey for Flanagan.
I don't want to rest anybody, if Carmont can continue he should. He's a tough bloke, he's shown that on numerous occasions.
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| I had been saying I'd play Phelps at stand off but Fridays performance convinced me that this line up works pretty well, having said that I'd like to see a bit more out of Gleeson when he's at stand off. I'd go with this:
FB 21 Phelps
RW 2 Roberts
RC 22 Gleeson
LC 3 Goulding
LW 5 Richards (K)
SO 25 Sam
SH 7 Leuluai
P 15 Coley
H 9 Riddell
P 19 Prescott
SR 16 Hansen
SR 12 Bailey (C)
LF 14 Joel
S 10 Paleaaesina
S 24 Mossop
S 26 Flanagan (used at stand off, with Tomkins going to 7 and Lulu to 9)
S 27 Farrell (a big risk giving him his debut v St's but young Wigan lads have a track record of doing very well in such circumstances)
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| Quote ="Grimmy"
I don't quite get what people are talking about regards Carmont, is there an injury concern with him? '"
He's busted TBH.
Shoulder injuries, knee injuries, arm injuries but he's coping so fair play to him. If he thinks he can play, he should play.
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| Quote ="MadDogg"He's busted TBH.
Shoulder injuries, knee injuries, arm injuries but he's coping so fair play to him. If he thinks he can play, he should play.'"
Wow, in that case we should definitely give him a rest ready for Wire, will edit my team accordingly.
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| Selection obviously depends on injuries.
Noble said initially that Bailey could be out for 2 weeks or more. This week may bring better news about Lockers recovery.
Difficulty will be if both Bails and Lockers are fit.
The key to beating Leeds is that when Hansen went off Mossop came on but played as the fifth prop. It was that extra prop and the relentless power that wore Leeds down. The last twenty Phelps was making all sorts of yards up the Leeds middle, Lylie & Peacock were on their knees.
To me Noble simply has to pick Mossop v Saints in the same role as against Leeds.
Phelps,
Roberts, Gleeson, Carmont, Richards.
SamT, Leuluai.
Prescott, Riddell, Coley,
Bailey, (Hansen) Joel T,
Lockers.
Fielden, Feka, Mossop, Goulding (Hansen)
Leeds never expected to be ground down by the Wigan forwards. Coley & Prescott coming on after half time ripped them up down the middle. That's where games are really won, in the forwards.
The only way you'd change a winning pack is by strengthening it.
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2- Roberts
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4- Carmont/Goulding
5- Richards
6- Tomkins
7- Leuluai
8- Coley
9- Riddell
10- Prescott
11- Hansen
12- Bailey
13- Tomkins
14- Palea'aesina
15- Mossop
16- Fielden
17- Goulding/Flanagan
-Forwards to run at Pryce and Cunningham all game to tire them out and take them out of the game because they are already without Roby, Long and Wellens they have no guidance without Cunningham and Pryce. I would make Feka run at Pryce every time he gets it.
-Massive bombs to whoever plays fullback
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| Same as last week, maybe if Carmont needs resting, Goulding to take his place with Bailey on the bench.
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| Quote ="Rogues Gallery"Hansens work rate was immense. He played the full 80, and was our top tackle maker.
I was speaking to someone at the reserve game yesterday, who's opinion I really respect, who who thinks that Hansen could be bulked up to become a top class "workhorse" prop forward.
Food for thought?'"
Bulking up worked for Platt.
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| Carmont gave our centres a bashing when you drew with us last year. I think Noble might remember this and leave him in.
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| Quote ="Salty"Bulking up worked for Platt.'"
Exactly, and we need to also do the same with Mossop.
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| Quote ="MadDogg"Same team bar Bailey for Flanagan.'"
Yep
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