It seems that since Warrington have rose to prominence in the last few years, a 'triangle of hatred/dislike' seems to have replaced the derby rivalry between wigan and saints.

What are peoples thoughts on this? Are saints still the team to beat or is it wire, or both?

Personally I feel more of a rivalry with wire at the mo but come good Friday this could be different

I definatly hate Wire fans more than Saints fans. It's not impossible to have a conversation with a Saints fan, and Wire's bitter-ness is unreal!

Warrington are like the little kid, trying his best to hang around with the big boys. More of an annoyance than anything.

Saints/Wigan have a true rivalry with grudging respect between the fans (even if the fans wont admit it). I have no respect for warrington or their fans. Warrington fans have become worse than the Leeds fans for arrogance, even though they have nothing to be arrogant about

My point exactly

They'll leave us alone once Widnes are back in SL ........

I think that since they lost their main local rivals in Widnes, Warrington have definitely been trying to push their way into the Wigan v Saints thing. But it doesn't really wash.

There've been some big clashes between Wigan and Wire over the years, but the long history of close rivalry just isn't there. I also think it's inaccurate to talk about Warrington's "rise to prominence in recent years".

For many, many years, right up until this season in fact, Warrington have been average-to-poor in my opinion. They may not even do it this year yet; after recent results, the jury is back out. They won the cup last year, but were rubbish in the league. Even the so-called 'Halliwell-Jones hoodoo' that we suffered was nothing more than a coincidence - they just happened to be in a new stadium at the same time as Wigan had their worst team in decades. Sure, they've taken points off us, but have never come close to replacing Saints as our 'evil twin'.

Even though i hate saints you have to respect them with what theyve achieved, theyre worthy rivals imo. Warrington just arent worthy of being mentioned in the same bracket and never will be. Warrington are a club trying to buy their way up but it aint gonna happen.

Warrington are merely a nuisance, certainly not rivals to Wigan Rugby.

Christ....I'm agreeing with a saint

Agreed!

As I posted on the Saints forum last week, I may not like St Helens but I certainly respect them. They've been a fantastic team over the last 15 years. But as far as Warrington go, they're continually writing cheques that they just can't cash. Far too big for their boots for my liking. Fair do's they won a trophy and played very well to do so. But it amazes me that some of their fans can't seem to grasp that Wigan and Saints fans know very well what's it like to win trophies. And we're equally aware that you need a lot more than just the one to achieve greatness.

your not that concerned about wire so lets start a thread just to prove it. why cant we all be friends.

I can only echo the sentiments on here. It is the natural order of things for us to hate Saints. It's like cats and dogs.

I also know wigan fans that have never seen wigan lift a trophy. sorry but true

I think it's more like Wigan v Saints, Warrington v Widnes. It's just that Warrington think they're too good to be coupled with an NL team, and yet they got turned over by both us and Saints

. They're a good little club though and I wish them well.

8 year olds?

I'm not sure the under-eights count. Sorry, but equally true.

Wouldn't make it public that you like to associate with under 8's Wigan fans if I were you!

I've been watching RL for over 50 years and I'm not taking the michael but i cannot remember Wire ever winning the league. I'm prepared to be proved wrong by any passing Wire fans but I seriously don't recall it happening.

I like the Warrington/Wigan/Saints rivalry.. It certainly makes game day more exciting. The DW can be a quiet place when the likes of Catalan, Quins and Crusaders are in town so its great that we have such intense battles with our local rivals. I work and have mates who are wire fans and we always have a bit of banter. I do get the feeling however that there is a semi mutual respect rivalry between wigan and saints fans, were wire just have a hate formed from decades of winning nowt. (Understandable really ;O) )

classmates?

1954-55 was the last time

only won the top 2 honours 9 times between them

Huddersfield and Halifax are as succesful as the mighty Wolves

I've never seen an ounce of trouble with Saints fans. We've always mixed well with good banter and their is a mutual respect for the past histories of both clubs. At the very least most derby games over that period have been very competitive with some great memories and not so great memories.

That isn't really the case with Warrington, it's been 95% domination by both Wigan and St Helens against them and thats why they've been like vultures since they won their cup final on 8th August last year. They were all out like vultures again at Saints last week. Proud to say we take a huge following there even when it looks like we have no chance of winning!

cant stand the warrington fans far more than saints fans. At least saints have something to shout about