Even as far into tonight's contest as half-time, the Sky Sports presenters seemed to be watching a different game.

I appreciate that they have to talk things up, and that they probably desperately hoped those two teams would have been more evenly matched, but there are times when I wish they'd just commentate on what's in front of them.

Amen, brother.

Sky have lost interest in RL. On todays Sky Sports splash page there is no mention of last nights match. Loads of other sports and a piece on women's RU but not a jot about RL.

Channel 4 coverage has smashed them out the park

Watch with no sound and listen to Mills and Bilko.

The problem is that it's not even thinly veiled, this wishful thinking that all teams are equal.

At half-time, they were still forecasting a Leigh victory when it was plain to everyone that if it hadn't been for Wigan's self-inflicted errors and missed conversions, they'd have been much farther ahead. Only JJB seemed to be calling it how it was.

You must have an excellent translator because I can barely tell a word he says!

So how do think he sounds to any Southerners who might be watching? RL is so poorly served by TV, although clearly C4 has been a big improvement.

Haven't watched the video playback of yesterday yet, but from what I've been told, the Sky Sports team were again at a different match.

Put off watching again by Wilkin being involved he takes bias to a new level. Sts v Giants, Giant's behind by a score trout pulled up at marker “what’s he doing what benefit is there from that” a few minutes later still a score in the game Sironen gets penalised for a ball strip in Sts half “ a calculated play by Sironen”. Clarke gets slated for some of is ridiculous comments and should do. The current commentary offers little, Wells and Carney carry the show.

Really enjoyed the game yesterday and so more with Wigan winning but listening to that bias numpty Wilkin really does put you off watching, Is he being paid by saints still as they PR director.

Watching Wolfs v Catalans and Barrie McDermott does not seem to know the rules of RL . Penalty try all day long you big balloon

Both yesterday's game and the Good Friday game were commentated on as though they were purely for consumption by Wire and Saints fans respectively. A bit like the old Micron videos in the 80s, when each club had their own guy on the mic.

The big story yesterday was an understrength Catalan's near-miss against the best team in the competition, but you wouldn't have picked that up from the commentary. On GF it was the Jon Wilkin Getting Surlier And Surlier show.

I don't know what the British has done to have such TV coverage inflicted on it,

Wilkin is bloody awful at commentary. He thinks he's some kind of rugby league philosopher but in reality talks a load of rubbish.

I was really impressed with Catalan, they were very unlucky. They controlled the ruck against our big pack and attacked really well with their backs being extremely effective too.

They were the first team who’ve dealt comfortably with Paul Vaughan and to do that with such a weakened team really is a huge tick for them going forward. It’s so pleasing to see so many French players involved. It’s something that should always have been the case and realistically that number will drop when the overseas players are fit but the confidence the young French lads will get from these games is huge.

Speaking of Vaughan, could he be one of the players carrying a knock that Powell mentioned post game? His minutes seemed to be limited yesterday and after a freakish start to the season, he ran for less than 50 metres. Hoping he is fit for Friday because it’s a great test for our younger forwards like Byrne, Havard and Smithies to play against a player of that calibre.

Wilkin needs to remove the Red V glasses if he's commentating on them

Penalty just before the King try, Sione it was only a little bit late, nothing wrong with it, just a fraction late, and hes done that a few times this season. Clearly not learning from it then is he you f***ing idiot. If you keep getting penalised and banned for hitting late, then learn from it.

very little made of Sione, also hitting Wigan player around head when on the ground in 1st half (admittedly very little in it but penalty)

Singleton catches Hurrell who is going down, its a swinging arm, attack to the head, should be sent off etc etc. He'lll miss games for that one and its dangerous. Well Jon, ref IMO made the right decision, it was careless, and disciplinary saw that too, with no ban.

he also made a Phil Clarke type comment about Wigan slowing the ruck and happy to concede a penalty (although they never conceded one), just because we didnt let Saints dominate and do what they wanted. Jon shut the f*** up and stop whining

As and when Saints do stop dominating and stop winning things, listening to Wilkin crying will be worth the current pain.

Stick in there people.

Wilkin annoys me massively. However he's only as bad as Clarke. Quite how he has not been made to apologise for effectively calling Saints "cheats" is beyond me.

I'm disappointed at the club for not making an official complaint.

Has McManus not put it in his program notes? He usually does.

That's a great point to be fair I'll check at our next home game.

Not sure why you need to be so flippant every time I post something. Everyone else on here engages constructively with me even if we disagree.

The word cheat and the connotations it brings is inflammatory and for a presenter of a national broadcaster to level it at a club is real poor form.

I'm quite sure you would be outraged had it been levelled at Wigan

He called you out for the number of set restarts you were happy to give away to ensure you won the game. What would you call it?

He could have listed another two or three things IMO that you take to the very brink of what is considered within the laws. He could name them for every side too btw, but you were on TV at the time and did those things he was referring to.

I think you're the best Saints poster we've had on here for a while BTW but the build up and fallout from the derby took you to the same "Saints are great and everyone is against us" type posts we see from the idiots, that's all.

I know we push the rules to the limits. I also know there was a lot of complaints from other clubs last year that we got away with stuff. Perhaps that is why we seem to be scrutinised a bit more this season thats all. You can think its cheating but for someone in an official capacity on tv to say it isn't right in my opinion. If he had referenced your 2006 signing of Fielden as "cheating" would you have been happy?

I am in no way in the camp that I think Saints are great this season, far from it. However I merely pointed out the number of clean line breaks we made on Friday (far more than we've made in any game for a long time) As a Wigan fan that would concern me. And despite how well Wigan played that Knowles try if given would have made it a 4 or 2 point game with all the momentum with Saints. Its hardly beyond the realms of possibility that we could have gone on to win the game so its hardly like Wigan battered us. Had that game not been on tv the try would have been given as Moore gave the try as an on field decision.

NB just to show my thoughts, the below is what I have posted on Red Vee this morning word for word. Not really the thoughts of someone who thinks everything is rosy is it?

I want Wellens to succeed as much as anyone. However we have a really hard set of fixtures coming up and its not beyond the realms of possibility that we are 4 from 4 losses at the end of this set of matches.

We go to HKR on Friday and will be without Walmsley, Batchelor, Matuatia and Knowles. Thats going to be a hard game. With Norman injured we still don't really have any cover at prop so we are relying on a young lad like Delaney again or the likes of Wingfield playing front row for a time. His return is very timely (if indeed he is back for Friday)

Should we lose the next 3 I do feel there will be some pressure on Wellens. Depending on results we could find ourselves in 7th or 8th and that's a hell of a fall from grace for a team that's won 4 in a row and the WCC

Pretty sure we've had similar comments from Sky over the years. Eddie Hemmings used to practically cheer when we conceded a try.

Like most Wigan fans, I was quite happy with your appointment of Wellens. He could prove everybody wrong when the big games come around but it just smacked of Cunningham all over again for me.

I said a few weeks ago on here that the WCC was your Everest and hopefully it's now the downward spiral, but I still won't be writing you off for trophies until you're actually beaten when it matters.

To be honest i was just a little cheesed off with him as from a disciplinary perspective he only commented on the Wigan indiscretions. If he was more balanced i probably wouldnt have bothered as some of the other points he made were interesting coming from an ex player i.e. the extra efforts that win you games, as we sometimes may not see at the game

re the comment from Clarke i agree, and think sky have taken action by the looks of it, not sure if he is suspended pending disciplinary investigation, but he's not been on sky for the last couple of weeks. Wilkins probably wasnt as direct, but was around the same subject. The issue is that all clubs do it / try to do it. Every club is looking at ways of winning, whether that be a new attacking play or defensive pattern, slowing the play of the ball down etc etc. If giving a penalty / set restart away stops team x from scoring, how many players would do it, probably most in the league. On Friday he commented that Wigan werent letting Saints play by slowing the POB down, and as i put above what are we supposed to do, just jump off your players to let you play how you want

. The only time you got a good fast play of the ball in the 1st half led to the Makinson attempt in the corner

onto the disciplinary, and i dont think anything i saw in the game on Friday warranted a ban. I think the ref got the calls right i.e. Singleton hitting Hurrell (word on pitch), Sironen tipping Smithies (word on pitch), Matautia (late hit - penalty and swinging arm on floor - penalty), Powell high tackle - penalty. I have watched the game back twice over the last 2 days, and other than knowing exactly when Smithies and Knowles made their respective tackles, and then watching them back, didnt see anything in either of them. However, it appears that this type of tackle is the new cannonball / crusher in a sense that they are looking to clamp down on them if they see them in a game, and we are likely to see bans if a player is leaving the ground in the process of tackling

He was literally on on Friday