Lowest point watching Wigan (and probably British rugby) in my life. Game is crap and we’re worse.

Worse than that there’s rumours the head coach appointment will come from within the coaching set up that have spectacularly failed



Do that and we get even worse...crowds are haemorrhaging as it’s become an obligation for even the die hards:

The club is at a crossroads and the coaching appointment will be a huge impact on where next...The club are in disarray and change doesn’t come from within.

Choice is stark: Go within to more abject failure or go for someone big...maguire McDermott or a strong NRL number two and turn this thing around with some new ideas!

Peet will give you more of the same, mid table at best and less than 7/8k averages the club can’t afford!

I don't see how it can be any worse TBH.

How many halves of rugby did we fail to score in????

I'd go for Tony Smith, a couple of years good rugby to make up for the dross in recent seasons.

I agree but he seems to have made a nice home at KR sadly

Number one on Lenagan's to do list has to be to let Radlinski go. Until that happens don't expect any improvement.

What makes you come to that conclusion? I don't really see Rads having much impact in on-field performance

….but he’s a big contributor to off field decisions, which are clearly very poor.

Given his role in recruitment and retention, it's pretty obvious he does.

Don't know how you get to that, realistically we don't know who has what responsibility and who made each decision.

KR is just a puppet
A chief exec with an owner chairman is a lose lose situation. I don’t rate KR but his authority levels re major decisions are about the same as mine at Wigan RLFC I.e. jack shoite. By the way IF if you’d have spent less time with the “warriors” and kept the Wigan RLFC maybe you’d have seen the shoite in front of your eyes. Are we still having the Ancient and Loyal badge back IL/KR for 2022? You won’t see a cent from me for my kids or grandkids on any merchandise in 2022 “warrior” or RLFC

Any chief executive with half a brain and full of opium would have potted Lam after the Barcelona debacle

The last 3 years sits squarely with IL. Total utter shoite encapsulated in tonight’s “performance”

The squad for next year is worse than this year. I don’t care if Peet can walk down the Leeds and Liverpool canal with a boa on his head and a feather up his arris I won’t be there. I’m done. I’m finished.
It will be Peet. All the shoite about different options is just shoite pretty much like the shoite reverberated at the forum.

It’s not ale talk I’ve had zippo. Due to work commitments I literally ran to the ground tonight to get there on time. Never again until the club is stripped and rebuilt. I used to literally cry when we lost when I was a kid. Tonight I couldn’t give a fishes tit.

Waney we know each other do yourself a favour don’t comeback in any role unless you have total utter control on signings. It’s too late for that so good luck in your dealings with journeymen like Thornley and Miller. KR thinks Miller will be a good signing, that’s how good our management is. The club states how dependent they are on gate receipts and not one new signing has even a dot of stardust. Chief Exec and Chairman, I’ve shoite better before my breakfast.

IL has had a grave dereliction of duty over the last 3 years and it will take someone else to resolve it. He’s done dusted and an ineffectual owner who owns a pup and he’s castrated it.

Maybe so..but we are a club in decline during his tenure.

Would he be in his current role if he had never played rugby league?

Would he be on his current role if he didn’t play for Wigan?

We all know the answer to those questions.

I know someone who has dealt with him at the club. I'd have to ban myself if I wrote what they said. Let's just say "completely out of his depth" would be sugar coating it.

The rumour seems to be that Wane will take on much of the rugby decisions Rads currently makes or at least he’ll have a big input in to it. The retention/release of players and the signings brought in needs an overhaul, no doubt about it but I always hold back from going in too harshly on Rads. He can only work with the budget he’s given and decisions these past 12-18 months or so seem to be based as much on cost savings, as they do on the quality players will bring.

KR is as you say working to budget and it’s probably a diminishing budget but some of the decisions made and ratified by IL have been totally and utterly ridiculous.
I truly sympathise with both guys with the difficulties over the last 18 months but their management since 2014 has deteriorated year on year. Both of them currently are totally and utterly off the mark and jointly are slowly crucifying the club.

I don’t want Wane back and I don’t want Peet. I don’t want toughness (that’s a given) I don’t want effectively 11 props on the field. KR and IL have delivered this and want it to continue. Brainless and shortsightedness to point of being blind to the obvious or afraid of required change.

Unfortunately from what came out of the fans forum things won’t be given a major shake up anytime soon. It’s going to be a huge task to turn this around next season. The squad doesn’t look good enough. How there’s only 73k left in the kitty is mystifying when you compare it on paper to the Wire and Saints. It sounds like we’re struggling to get the Miller deal done and there’s not much else knocking about. The thought of going in with just Field and Smith is terrifying and once Hardaker is allowed to walk away we’ll have an outside backline of Bibby, Hankinson, Thornley and Marshall (or we might throw in the lad from London). All honest lads but bar Marshall they all should be back up players at Wigan. In the pack the kids are years away from maturing in to their peaks. If that’ll come anyway is for another debate, given how hard they’re being worked at such a young age and the chances are the better ones won’t be at Wigan when they hit their peak anyway. There is so much pressure on two NRL unknowns to turn that pack around but let’s hope they can.

All in all things aren’t looking great but things can change quickly. I’ve never been as glad of a break from Rugby League as I am now. I’ll be there at the start of next season and I’m sure the usual off season optimism will build but at this minute, it’s tough to see how we compete with Wire and Saints next season.

i guess you've still on your self-enforced black-out of the NRL, then, NK. I'm really looking forward to this weekend's games to renew my faith in the greatest game,

What summed KR up was the whole badge debacle. I heard him on 'Out of you League' podcast say they consulted 12 fans of all ages from kids to elderly, when questioned was this enough people, he hit back with he wanted to keep the number small to avoid leaks. Why keep it a secret? If you get a small number for feedback you may get all yes men which is what he got, or in usual managerial fashion they use the 'people are always hesitant when it comes to change, so they'll have to learn to like it' line.

The crap kits is also watering down our identity along with the new crap badge, why do we need a break away from cherry and white hoops every 3 years? Says who? KR? Alls it does it loses our identity, the all blacks, Brazil FC, Bath RU, Australia RL all have instantly identifiable shirts, we should also but bit by bit that identity is being stripped away. If they want to mess about with a kit do it with the away kit.

In the fans forum, he said we are spent up for next year? How in the actual flip are we spent up with the players we have lost and the players we are gaining? Serious mismanagement of the cap and like others have said there ia no stardust in any of the signings.

In yeard gone by a lot of clubs will say 'Yes he's a good player but is he a good person also' when they sign players, I think we say 'Yes he's a good person, what's he like at rugby?' And end up with a team of choir boys who can't play rugby.

It,'s clear KR is liked by IL, I'm not saying he should.leave the club but he needs a rapid demotion, one that involves having nothing to do with running the club or signing players

Also Matty Peet is not the answer, not now. We are in dire straights and the last thing we need is an inexlerienced coach who has never played or coached at the highest level taking over.

As a club we are a shambles and leaderless.

Good businessmen do not let the rot set in like our club has done for the last few years. The sheer inability to resolve the Lam issue in the first year tells you everything you need to know about the current capabilities of IL and KR. I will be forever grateful for IL in buying the club when he did and turn it around but all that is gone now. New blood is needed at the top for 2022 to start the turnaround. IL hasn’t I suspect got the energy to do that or the resources so the drift will continue.

I love the club and literally haven’t slept after another “performance” that quite frankly wasn’t as good as inept.
I’m done with club until major changes at the top take place.
I won’t be getting a ST nor will I buy my sons a ST as I usually do for Christmas. I will give them the cash to buy one but I won’t be making any attempt to contact the club for tickets.

Next year will be worse.
We have signed 3 Aussies with zero experience and a player with no heart and the end of his career.
If KR had come to me with that plan for 2022 I’d have fired him on the spot. To get to the situation where those signings are best we can do due to cap restrictions is incompetence of the highest order. IL and KR have led that incompetence.

I suspect we will sign Miller with Hardaker going the other way.
Peet will be head coach
The team will be “tough” and the defence will be competent. The play will be joyless and played in near silence. The marketing if any actually takes place, will be pretty pointless with a pretty dire product.
The incredulous lack of communication with the fans will continue.
What little talent we have will look to leave.
The decline of Farrell and Bateman will continue.
The Ancient and Loyal will be back. After all the shoite and bluff about the “Warriors” for the 150th anniversary the badge will be rolled out as “an integral part of our dna” or some other shoite like that.
The gates will continue to fall and silence at the ground on match day will become almost deafening.
I suggest that IL and KR are incapable of avoiding any of the above.

I will watch more amatuer rugby where I can actually get a beer with little or no trouble and would you believe it actually enjoy the rugby.

IL’s and KR’s time has been and gone

I know 2 of the 12 and from what they told me the change was going to happen because IL said it was going to happen. The club was probably looking for “buy in” i.e. a charade. A waste of time and money but a lovely earner for the marketing consultants

NRL is the only thing that keeps me from giving up on the whole game tbh! Thank god we at least have that. I’m a RL diehard yet watching Wigan this season has been a chore and an obligation to the point I don’t worry if I miss a game....in fact it has come as a welcomed excuse when I’ve had another obligation preventing me going...there was a time where I used to arrange my social life around rugby...not any more. I’ve lost interest that much I’m far more excited about Souths v Manly this morning than watching any Wigan game next year.

That’s the size of Wigan’s challenge if they want to avoid losing all but our core 4-5k who will go and clap a if it had a Wigan badge on it! Overpromting peet out of his depth, will bring no change at all when the club are in need of the greatest amount of change I’ve seen in my lifetime

If they consulted 12 that’s an absolute insult...sums the club up at the moment...box ticking exercise just to pretend they’ve done it...pick 12 happy clappers and see what they think!!

This is my favourite ever post. Perfectly summed up. We are shoite.

Bet Bill and Ben, the tinpot men are frantically searching through their contact books this morning trying to sign some Wigan reject with a shortage of functioning limbs to try and stymie the further drop in season ticket sales after this season.

The 12 were I believe quite widespread in terms of age etc but frankly a total utter waste of time.
IL I believe showed his frustration with the push back which is unprofessional and probably made the situation worse for the few people who were against the “new warrior”

Jobs for the boys.

I could not have put it better myself and what has taken place during the last three years or so will remind many older supporters of the position the club was in at the end of the seventies when after a decade of failure, falling crowds, different coaches, poor signings and a terrible financial situation, the then board of directors asked a certain Maurice Lindsay to become Financial Director which led to the club being taken over by him and Jack Hilton, Tom Rathbone and Jack Robinson and a period of stability and success.

Perhaps, the time has come for the same thing to happen again and start afresh with new ownership, management and a more experienced and proven coach as well as the recruitment of better, bigger and more experienced players.

Otherwise, I can only see the club again going deeper into a period of failure, again falling crowds and a even worse financial situation like that of the seventies.