Just looking at Bilkos Stats page

ive noticed that no matter who the manager was the win/loss rate was pretty much the same since the 80,s onwards the only time the win loss made a difference was when Millward came in whe they lost more games than won There where times when the team went on a long winning run with all the managers! e.g when Monie took over he had a team of internationls and simply had tell to turn up! it was only around 2005 ish when the results became totally inconsistent for a few years even with Noble in charge! But when Madge took over and then Wane they won most of there games

I can't believe anyone would think that coaches like Andy Goodway, John Dorahy and Eric Hughes were as good as John Monie, whatever the stats say.

Thanks Frisky

In the hayday the coaches didn't hugely matter as the quality on the field largely coached themselves. The biggest example of this was under Dorohay. He lost the dressing room that much that Edwards used to lead training sessions and the players would train themselves.

What I am surprised is that our win rate under wane was the same as it was in some of the glory days? That can't be right surely?
For the majority of the wane years we played some very poor rugby and generally underperformed to the point of losing a large number of matches we never should have done. Yes, we won trophies, but runs towards the end of the season papered over some pretty bad performances in the ordinary seasons. Can't compare to win percentages under Monie etc surely?

As soon as the salary cap cam in around 1999 ish Leeds and Saints and Bradford signed better players than Wigan that is why they where won more trophies untill 2010

Super League era stats (yes I'm bored)

West (including his pre-SL record, which was roughly the same anyway) W 83% D 2%
Hughes W 57%
Monie W 80%
Goodway W 73% D 6%
Endacott W 73% D 4%
Raper W 72% D 2%
Gregory W 73% D 8%
Betts W 58% D 8%
Millward W 42%
Noble W 56% D 3%
Maguire W 76% D 4%
Wane W 67% D 2%
Lam W 62%

Goodway did better than I thought. But the comment someone else made about how, under Monie, players only had to turn up and we'd win is surely disproved by the figures Hughes brought home before Monie was reappointed.

That would have been more or less the same team. Not the great team of the early 90s, but a team that flunked under Hughes. So Monie must have done more a bit more than just watched.

It was also the case, if memory serves, that under Dorahy Wigan were doing very badly until Edwards and Bell got hold of the team. Another sign that even a great ream could under-perform if badly coached.

that was SL though in his second stint, in his first stint we pretty much did, loved the team under big Frank

I've just worked out Monie's pre-SL record. Exactly the same as his SL record. 80% won, 1% Drawn

Dorahy was also pre-SL and he nearly screwed us up until the players started ignoring him.

We threw the JP Final under Dorahy, something that would have been unthinkable to previous Wigan teams. That shows how much they were suffering under a boss who was completely out of his depth.

After that, I'll always believe that a bad coach - rather than a coach who just isn't very good - can mess up even a great team.

very much so

wonder what big game percentage was, I know during his time we played weakened teams etc when we had a massive amount of games in short periods

The Mission Impossible season was a staggering achievement by almost any standards. Even for a really good team and coach, to win so many vital games in such a short period of time beggared belief.

If Man U or Liverpool had ever pulled a stunt like that, it would have been trumpeted from the rooftops for years.

It was exactly as it said. Mission impossible. Still fascinates me to this day how that was achieved. Denis Betts was immense in that run of games. The try he scored at Leeds on the final day was pure commitment to the cause.

No idea, it's subjective and before my time so I'm not going to work it out. 80% is still a bloody good record. Maguire shows up well, 76% with a salary cap to contend with in the middle of Leeds dominance.

Amazed at how high the figures for West (who was badly treated by the club in the end) and Gregory who started off looking like he was going to be a top coach such a shame it couldn't continue, and how bad the figures went for Betts then especially Millward.

very much so, fantastic

true, but in the monie era in big games there werent many lost, lost a few regal trophies, and prems but not much else. Similar could be said for Wane, seemed to be a big game coach, always seemed to turn up even if we lost.

What, no Graham Lowe who between 1986-1989 was the first overseas Coach appointed by the Gang of Four and laid the foundation for the success of John Monie who during his time as Coach between 1989 and 1993 had some of the best players ever to play for the club and the of winning so many trophies in a period which many supporters regard as one of the greatest in the history of the club.

All hail the gang of four

wasnt that the year the englan ru team won bbc s. p. o. t. y after drawing with nz?

They made the WC final in 91 as well

Possibly, but you only have to look at the way Johnny Wilkinson's status as some kind of legendary megastar has been cemented by a drop-goal to see how the Union boys don't have to do much to win praise.

Graham Lowe was the best coach Wigan have ever had in my view. His victory over Manly was a titanic effort, and should immortalise him as a Wigan great on its own.