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| Who are the three Wigan players on the move as per League express, please?
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| Burgess, Mullen, Flower and Escare?
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| Hannington, Mitchell Clark and Josh Woods according to league express
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| Quote ="nidger"=#FF0000Hannington, Mitchell Clark and Josh Woods according to league express'"
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| Seems to be some debate, is Mitch Clark one of your quota players?
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| Quote ="Fishermanscap"Seems to be some debate, is Mitch Clark one of your quota players?'"
He's non-fed trained because he played all his amateur/junior RL in Aus. but he was born in Pontefract.
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| Flower to Leigh is now confirmed.
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| Surprised at Clark, signed a 3 year deal on what was probably decent money (“most destructive ball runner in SL”). I was quietly optimistic after a good preseason he could contribute next year.
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| Quote ="NSW"Surprised at Clark, signed a 3 year deal on what was probably decent money (“most destructive ball runner in SL”). I was quietly optimistic after a good preseason he could contribute next year.'"
Maybe more an indication how highly they rate our young forwards. No point having a 28 year old taking game time off much younger players who are already as good as him.
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| So where does that leave us now squad wise?
Lockers - retired
J. Burgess - Salford tbc
Wells - Salford
Escare - Salford?
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Flower - Leigh
Hankinson - ?
Clark - ?
Woods - ?
I think G.Burgess could have a major impact on either our team or recruitment depending upon what happens. With him fit, we have him, Singleton, Bullock and Clubb as senior 1st team props, with a good crop of youngesters ready to replace them. If he isnt fit / isnt going to get fit, it gives the club a challenge as he is our marquee prop / leader of the pack, but not fitting the bill. i know the club cant just get rid as he is contracted but i am sure the conversations can be had? With regards to Clubb, he is in his final contracted year, and for me would be used purely as a rotation prop to give one of the others a rest if needed during the season, thus giving the young lads much more game time as they are all up to it.
if the names above are the only ones to leave, then it doesnt impact the 1st team squad too much as only Lockers, Flower and J. Burgess have really had any 1st team game this season, and all 3 of them have had their fair share of injuries. With Batemen and Field coming in, are we likely to see any further recruitment
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| Quote ="The pieman"So where does that leave us now squad wise?
Lockers - retired
J. Burgess - Salford tbc
Wells - Salford
Escare - Salford?
Navarette -
Flower - Leigh
Hankinson - ?
Clark - ?
Woods - ?
I think G.Burgess could have a major impact on either our team or recruitment depending upon what happens. With him fit, we have him, Singleton, Bullock and Clubb as senior 1st team props, with a good crop of youngesters ready to replace them. If he isnt fit / isnt going to get fit, it gives the club a challenge as he is our marquee prop / leader of the pack, but not fitting the bill. i know the club cant just get rid as he is contracted but i am sure the conversations can be had? With regards to Clubb, he is in his final contracted year, and for me would be used purely as a rotation prop to give one of the others a rest if needed during the season, thus giving the young lads much more game time as they are all up to it.
if the names above are the only ones to leave, then it doesnt impact the 1st team squad too much as only Lockers, Flower and J. Burgess have really had any 1st team game this season, and all 3 of them have had their fair share of injuries. With Batemen and Field coming in, are we likely to see any further recruitment'"
The Mole is reporting, George Burgess could medically retire.
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| Quote ="NSW"The Mole is reporting, George Burgess could medically retire.'"
Whilst that is tough on George as he is one hell of a prop forward when fit. If its true, that makes the situation a whole lot easier for the club. It frees up cap space, which could be used to bump up some of the young guns contracts whilst also being able to bring in a quality prop (if there are any out there).
As i insinuated in my previous post with Burgess, Singleton, Bullock and Clubb we have a solid looking front row before we add in the capability of the young guys
if you take Burgess out, and how i perceive that Clubb is likely to be used, it soon looks a different picture
whilst all of our young players have excelled in the pack this season in trying circumstances, as we all know most props dont mature until they are slightly older, so we need to be patient with them and let them develop at their own speed, but at the same time conscious that they need game time.
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| If the rumours has any truth in it then it opens up all sorts of options for the club.
Bring in a quality prop, up grade the contracts of our younger players.
To do this IL & Rads will have played a blinder.
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| Clark was a waste of time and money. Glad we want to get rid
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| Quote ="100% Warrior"Clark was a waste of time and money. Glad we want to get rid'"
George Burgess as well. Two poor signings, one past his best with a bad injury when signed and the other a journeyman who never made any impact at any clubs he has played for, not even when at Leigh on loan.
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| Get on the phone to wakefield and get Tom Johnstone in
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| Quote ="Ruddy Duck"George Burgess as well. Two poor signings, one past his best with a bad injury when signed and the other a journeyman who never made any impact at any clubs he has played for, not even when at Leigh on loan.'"
On the whole, sadly yes with regards to Burgess. I don’t agree he was past his best but it’s clear his hip injury was far too severe and debilitating for him to play on. Doing so possibly risks his long term health and no career is worth that. I’ve said it before and I genuinely feel sorry for him. We threw silly money at him hoping he’d be our pack leader for years to come unfortunately his body just isn’t letting him. He’s best to retire medically IMO, not for anyone but himself and his family.
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| I'm surprised that the club have not yet officially announced the departure of Joe Burgess to Salford. The season is over so why the delay?
*You watch, the announcement will happen later today, happens all the time!
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| We need an announcement. Someone should announce when we're going to have one
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| Quote ="MattyB"I'm surprised that the club have not yet officially announced the departure of Joe Burgess to Salford. The season is over so why the delay?
*You watch, the announcement will happen later today, happens all the time!
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It’s the club making the signing that usually makes the announcement
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| Quote ="The pieman"So where does that leave us now squad wise?
Lockers - retired
J. Burgess - Salford tbc
Wells - Salford
Escare - Salford?
Navarette -
Flower - Leigh
Hankinson - ?
Clark - ?
Woods - ?
I think G.Burgess could have a major impact on either our team or recruitment depending upon what happens. With him fit, we have him, Singleton, Bullock and Clubb as senior 1st team props, with a good crop of youngesters ready to replace them. If he isnt fit / isnt going to get fit, it gives the club a challenge as he is our marquee prop / leader of the pack, but not fitting the bill. i know the club cant just get rid as he is contracted but i am sure the conversations can be had? With regards to Clubb, he is in his final contracted year, and for me would be used purely as a rotation prop to give one of the others a rest if needed during the season, thus giving the young lads much more game time as they are all up to it.
if the names above are the only ones to leave, then it doesnt impact the 1st team squad too much as only Lockers, Flower and J. Burgess have really had any 1st team game this season, and all 3 of them have had their fair share of injuries. With Batemen and Field coming in, are we likely to see any further recruitment'"
I think others to exit without any insider knowledge but purely based on estimated financial needs will be
Jake Shorrocks - I believe that he is out of contract. Not good enough.
Joe Greenwood - wouldn't be surprised if he goes to Leeds. No place in the 17 for me
George Burgess - assuming the new investor will help to pay him off
Amir Borough - just don't see where he fits in for 2021
Personally can't see anyone else coming into the squad which will leave us exposed in the three quarters and a very small pack.
Hastings and French will have negotiated huge contract increases which together with reduced Sky payments I think will severely reduce our potential to obtain anymore new bodies.
Think wherever possible we will play with 3 props on the bench and "make do" with the three quarters
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| Quote ="Itchy Arsenal"I think others to exit without any insider knowledge but purely based on estimated financial needs will be
Jake Shorrocks - I believe that he is out of contract. Not good enough.
Joe Greenwood - wouldn't be surprised if he goes to Leeds. No place in the 17 for me
George Burgess - assuming the new investor will help to pay him off
Amir Borough - just don't see where he fits in for 2021
Personally can't see anyone else coming into the squad which will leave us exposed in the three quarters and a very small pack.
Hastings and French will have negotiated huge contract increases which together with reduced Sky payments I think will severely reduce our potential to obtain anymore new bodies.
Think wherever possible we will play with 3 props on the bench and "make do" with the three quarters'"
Surely if these people are on the cap now and leave there will be the funds from their salaries to go out and get new blood. I know some of the younger players will get improved contracts, but there will be money to spend. How much, no idea, but a 3/4 and a prop.
I'm sure someone better than me can list who's in and who's gone or potentially going. From that I bet there is cap space. If we lose Burgess at prop as marquee we get 150k back for a start.
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| Quote ="LondonRobster"Surely if these people are on the cap now and leave there will be the funds from their salaries to go out and get new blood. I know some of the younger players will get improved contracts, but there will be money to spend. How much, no idea, but a 3/4 and a prop.
I'm sure someone better than me can list who's in and who's gone or potentially going. From that I bet there is cap space. If we lose Burgess at prop as marquee we get 150k back for a start.'"
Reduced Sky payments, Bateman together with improved terms for French and Hastings I suspect will be over £500k in reduced cash available versus 2020. You will also need to include extra cost of Havard's new contract before the standard increases for the young guys coming through the ranks.
I'd also be pretty amazed if we keep many of the reserve squad other than a handful such as Hanley McDonnell etc. With no games to play unless we can loan out players what's the point in keeping them unless they have any possibility of playing first team rugby
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| Quote ="Itchy Arsenal"Reduced Sky payments, Bateman together with improved terms for French and Hastings I suspect will be over £500k in reduced cash available versus 2020. You will also need to include extra cost of Havard's new contract before the standard increases for the young guys coming through the ranks.
[uI'd also be pretty amazed if we keep many of the reserve squad other than a handful such as Hanley McDonnell etc. With no games to play unless we can loan out players what's the point in keeping them unless they have any possibility of playing first team rugby[/u'"
I have read somewhere else that IL is planning on keeping a trimmed down squad this next year due to impact of Covid / TV deal etc.
we have tended to run a squad with more depth than others and whilst we may not always have had the best 13, we have had the strongest squad due to depth
as a game, there is that risk of losing a generation of players, especially if Academy and Reserve grades arent there
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