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| Quite a few options for the game with up to 4 players coming back in Manfredi Powell Burgess and Flower, personally I’d go with something like this although I doubt it’ll happen
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Manfredi Hardaker Bibby Marshall
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Bullock Powell Flower
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| Quote ="KingRoss11"Quite a few options for the game with up to 4 players coming back in Manfredi Powell Burgess and Flower, personally I’d go with something like this although I doubt it’ll happen
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Manfredi Hardaker Bibby Marshall
Hastings Smith
Bullock Powell Flower
Isa Farrell
Smithies
Burgess Clark Partington Tommy'"
Other than swapping out Partington for Bryne/Havard I don’t disagree with that. It’s a good side on paper definitely
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| On the night I was pretty livid with how Burgess had performed but looking back again, it was a mixed bag and there were some signs that he could get back to a really high level if we can get his confidence going again. He certainly looks to have found half a yard again going off his try. I’d probably give him his last chance before bringing Manfredi in at Huddersfield if Burgess doesn’t cut out the basic errors.
I’d go-
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Marshall Hardaker Bibby Burgess
Leuluai Hastings
Bullock Powell Flower
Isa Farrell Partington
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Clark Burgess Greenwood Smithies
I’ve been impressed with Harry Smith but his defence would be a worry against a powerful Hull pack. He missed 9 tackles on Thursday looking at the stats. It didn’t really feel like that at the game but throwing people like Ma’u, Sao, Jones, Griffin etc at him might not end well at the minute whilst he’s adjusting to first team rugby.
Other than that I’d want a big pack and a big bench. I’d go with Partington at 13 to add the aggression from the start. He’s got a good pair of hands on him and I actually think he’d make a better 13 then he does prop at the moment.
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| We need some muscle in the pack, but fit muscle that has played before. I don’t want Burgess or Flower in the team until they’ve played a reserve game to gauge their fitness.
1 - French
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4 - Bibby
5 - Marshall
6 - Leuluai
7 - Hastings
8 - Bullock
9 - Powell
10 - Byrne
11 - Farrell
12 - Isa
13 - Smithies
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Game plan - Offload like hell, tire their big forwards out.
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| Quote ="post"We need some muscle in the pack, but fit muscle that has played before. I don’t want Burgess or Flower in the team until they’ve played a reserve game to gauge their fitness.
1 - French
2 - Manfredi
3 - Hardaker
4 - Bibby
5 - Marshall
6 - Leuluai
7 - Hastings
8 - Bullock
9 - Powell
10 - Byrne
11 - Farrell
12 - Isa
13 - Smithies
14 - Clarke
15 - Partington
16 - Clubb
17 - Greenwood
Game plan - Offload like hell, tire their big forwards out.'"
The way to tire them is to knock out set after set and follow it with a good kicking game. Low risk rugby in the first half and open it up in the second. Start trying offload after offload will inevitably lead to a few dropped balls and turn over in possession. I agree we need to tire them but not through high risk rugby. If we give a high completion rate and low error count, we’ll be fine.
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| Quote ="post"We need some muscle in the pack, but fit muscle that has played before. I don’t want Burgess or Flower in the team until they’ve played a reserve game to gauge their fitness.
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3 - Hardaker
4 - Bibby
5 - Marshall
6 - Leuluai
7 - Hastings
8 - Bullock
9 - Powell
10 - Byrne
11 - Farrell
12 - Isa
13 - Smithies
14 - Clarke
15 - Partington
16 - Clubb
17 - Greenwood
Game plan - Offload like hell, tire their big forwards out.'"
When do Wigan OFF LOAD
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| Quote ="Ashton Bears"When do Wigan OFF LOAD'"
Player wise, every October to the NRL
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| Could do with Saints beating them up a bit and yes we'll need to go big.
Could really do with Greenwood having a blinder for the reserves today.
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| Quote ="Egg Chasing"Player wise, every October to the NRL'"
Only players that the expert fans critics, criticise every week and say they rubbish.
See below
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Gelling
Williams
Exceptions Tomkins/Bateman
So don't see what the issue is, club are only getting rid of players the fans don't think are any good?
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| Quote ="Jukesays"Only players that the expert fans critics, criticise every week and say they rubbish.
See below
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Sutton
Sarginson
Gelling
Williams
Exceptions Tomkins/Bateman
So don't see what the issue is, club are only getting rid of players the fans don't think are any good?
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True. When is Clubby going?
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| Just reading an article on the Hull daily mail site and the Hull pack won’t be as big as the one which turned out at Headingley. They’ve got Satae suspended and Manu Ma’u is out for 3-4 weeks with a knee injury. They’ve also lost Savelio this week, so whilst they’ll still be strong, it doesn’t look like their lack will be quite as daunting as it could’ve been.
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| Quote ="NickyKiss"Just reading an article on the Hull daily mail site and the Hull pack won’t be as big as the one which turned out at Headingley. They’ve got Satae suspended and Manu Ma’u is out for 3-4 weeks with a knee injury. They’ve also lost Savelio this week, so whilst they’ll still be strong, it doesn’t look like their lack will be quite as daunting as it could’ve been.'"
Well that evens things up a bit doesn't it. Their first choice forwards are much stronger than ours whilst our back line are much stronger than theirs. They've also hgot to play a tough game against Saints yet (weather permitting).
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| Quote ="Ashton Bears"When do Wigan OFF LOAD'"
I know. It’s shocking. I love an offload.
I think against Toronto we did 4 offloads all game, all it does is make for a very boring game.
Low errors = Low Risk Rugby = Boring Rugby
The coach may be in the results business but it’s the entertainment business too.
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| In the reserves game Greenwood may as well have had a big sign saying I do not want to play any more. There were at least five forwards who were head and shoulders better than him today.
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| What Lam will change to improve the team we don 't know but my selection would be -
French,
Marshall, Hardaker, Hankinson, Burgess. Hastings, Smith. Bullock, Powell, Burgess, Farrell, Wells, Smithies, Bench - Byrne, Clubb, Havard, Leuluai.
We need a big centre strong in defence against the Hull backrowers so I've put Hanks in there. Bibby doesn't cut it defence wise for me.
Smith to start at 7 as his kicking game is excellent.
Tommy kicks straight to the fb or wing giving them 15 mtrs start on each set. We need big props all game so Partington is out as willing as he is. Isa would be in but he may cop a ban for the Springer incident. Wells to replace him. Smithies replaces Lockers.
Match Hull for size, with better backs and a kicking game that will be an asset to us and not them and a win could be very much on the cards.
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| I wouldn’t have George Burgess play first team until he’s proved his fitness in the reserves after his debut, I’d rather play Kilner who’s been killing it in the reserves and deserves his spot over Burgess and Flower.
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| Quote ="Father Ted"Isa would be in but he may cop a ban for the Springer incident.'"
What for?
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| Quote ="Egg Chasing"What for?'"
A good tackle presumably...
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| Think I’ll give up on the game if Isa picks up a ban for that.
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| Quote ="apollosghost"Could do with Saints beating them up a bit and yes we'll need to go big.
Could really do with Greenwood having a blinder for the reserves today.'"
Didn't happen. Finished the cleanest player on the pitch.
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| For me...
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Hastings
Lealuai
Bullock
Powell
Byrne
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Smith
Isa
Burgess (Havard)
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Keep Smith out the way for the first 20. I’d play 3 props to begin with to combat Hulls size. After 15-20 mins I’d bring on Isa for Flower and push Smithies to 13.
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| I can see the point about resting Smith against FC with their big pack, but, on the other hand, a good kicking game will be needed more than ever against them, and he is our best kicker. I agree that Joe Burgess was improved, if not brilliant, against Toronto, and I don't think Manfredi looked ready for first team rugby anyway, so I'd stick with Burgess and Marshall for now. Greenwood should clearly not be considered.
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| The Hull pack probably won’t be anything bigger than the Cas and Toronto packs that Harry Smith has faced looking at the news on their squad. I’m pretty sure Lam will go back to Powell at nine and move Leuluai in to the halves but I wouldn’t have as many worries about playing Smith as I would if they were at full strength. It sounds like Saints got plenty of joy out of Fonua’s side yesterday, so if he’s in again we’d want to be turning him round and getting him chasing kicks back towards his own line.
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| Agree about turning around Hull's big men. Tommy isn't the 7 who can do this. His kicks usually go straight into the fb/wing hands giving them a fast return on kicks. Kicking the ball into Shaul's hands is giving up 15 mtrs. Smith's kicking v Toronto was good in pinning them down with tackled behind their line, O'Brien knocking on and also getting tackled on his own line.
Lam may start with TL but Smith should play the larger part of the game at 7.
I've changed my mind about playing Smith now Hull seem to have a mounting injury list.
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| Think Smiths been a positive so far this year but I think Lam will bring Powell back in and Tommy to 7. Smith has been great with the ball but poor defensively.
French
Marshall
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Burgess (last chance whilst Manfredi has another week getting up to speed in the reserves )
Hastings
Leuluai
Bryne
Powell
Bullock
ISA
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Clubb ( again last chance before GBurgess is back)
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