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| Assuming the worst and Hardaker and Flower are out
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| Whether Hardaker is fit or not, I think it might be worth seeing how Sarginson goes at fullback for this one. Im not sure him defending against Hurrell on the right will end well in any case.
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| I’d be inclined to give Sarginson the fullback shirt also. There’s no doubt it’s his best position and if Hardaker is fit but not quite 100% then not covering the ground a full back has to may help him and he’s defensively very sound.
The props are the real worry and it’s tough to have any real confidence in whichever group we’re able to field. It’s safe to say Flower won’t be playing and Tautai must surely have done enough to be left out. In that case I’d go-
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| We need a bench that ensures we don’t lose any intensity when we start to rotate. That’s where our major issues tend to start.
Assuming Hardaker and Flower miss out.
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Williams Sammut
Clubb Powell Navarette
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| It`s interesting reading the posts on here and linking them to the posts we have on our (Leeds) site.
Almost a carbon copy with a poor coach, senior players not helping the youngsters, poor recruitment, lack of effort etc etc.
The fact neither team recruited well enough when decent players left also sounds familiar.
We or should I say some of our posters are now saying relegation this year should not happen in light of us looking like we could finish bottom.
Sounds a bit like the Brexit vote!!
What`s the view from your side of the fence?
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| Quote ="chapylad"We or should I say some of our posters are now saying relegation this year should not happen in light of us looking like we could finish bottom.
Sounds a bit like the Brexit vote!!
What`s the view from your side of the fence?'"
Everyone knew the rules at the start of the season. Finish 12th and you go down whether you are Wigan, Leeds, London or Hull KR. For the integrity of the sport that has to happen even if we or yourselves finish bottom, which I don't think will happen anyway.
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| Quote ="Egg Chasing"Everyone knew the rules at the start of the season. Finish 12th and you go down whether you are Wigan, Leeds, London or Hull KR. For the integrity of the sport that has to happen even if we or yourselves finish bottom, which I don't think will happen anyway.'"
It would be mortifying if we finished bottom and the rules were miraculously changed to prevent relegation, worse than any of the cap breach fiascos.
The team that finishes bottom must go down.
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| Quote ="apollosghost"It would be mortifying if we finished bottom and the rules were miraculously changed to prevent relegation, worse than any of the cap breach fiascos.
The team that finishes bottom must go down.'"
Agreed
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| Quote ="chapylad"It`s interesting reading the posts on here and linking them to the posts we have on our (Leeds) site.
Almost a carbon copy with a poor coach, senior players not helping the youngsters, poor recruitment, lack of effort etc etc.
The fact neither team recruited well enough when decent players left also sounds familiar.
We or should I say some of our posters are now saying relegation this year should not happen in light of us looking like we could finish bottom.
Sounds a bit like the Brexit vote!!
What`s the view from your side of the fence?'"
In 2006 we were dead certs for relegation by this stage of the season, unlike now when we are only one of a large group of potential relegation candidates.
Ironically, in 2006 we were getting bigger crowds than this year, and calls for relegation to be suspended were coming from other clubs too, as various chairmen didn't want to lose the income provided by Wigan's travelling army.
None of us thought that would happen, though, as it would have looked like outrageous favouritism.
That said, I have sympathy for your position.
One-up/one-down sounds like a good idea until it is a well-established, well-supported club like Wigan or Leeds who are facing the drop ... especially when the replacement could be someone who plays at poor facilities in front of a mediocre crowd, brings one man and his dog when travelling away, and has almost no track record at all for producing quality SL players or making exciting signings who will set the league alight. And once you're down there, there's no prospect of a quick return - ask Bradford, whose presence as a big-hitter we are still missing.
I don't really know what the solution is, but even though I'm Wigan through and through and Leeds are almost blood-enemies, I don't want them relegated. The British game needs all the big clubs it can get.
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| My take on Leeds is that, like us, they lack structure, plan, and leadership. Way too reliant on just chucking the ball around and hoping for the best in attack. But they do have some very promising youngsters (Walker, Newman).
Poor as they are, I don't see Leeds or Wigan getting relegated.
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| Quote ="moto748"My take on Leeds is that, like us, they lack structure, plan, and leadership. Way too reliant on just chucking the ball around and hoping for the best in attack. But they do have some very promising youngsters (Walker, Newman).
Poor as they are, I don't see Leeds or Wigan getting relegated.'"
Both sides will be fine in regards relegation without any shadow of a doubt. We’re both poor teams currently lacking direction but individuals are producing enough moments to get a few wins on the board.
As for the longer term both sides just need to look at Michael Maguire in 2010 or Justin Holbrook these last couple of years at Saints for how quickly things can turn. The two clubs have some fantastic talent in their academies at the minute and 2 or 3 of them pushing through in addition to a couple of savvy signings could push either back in to contention in the next 2 or 3 years. I think Leeds know Agar isn’t the man long term to bring about that change. As for Wigan it’s dubious on current evidence that Lam is the man either but we’ll get to see I’m sure.
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| Quote ="chapylad"It`s interesting reading the posts on here and linking them to the posts we have on our (Leeds) site.
Almost a carbon copy with a poor coach, senior players not helping the youngsters, poor recruitment, lack of effort etc etc.
The fact neither team recruited well enough when decent players left also sounds familiar.
We or should I say some of our posters are now saying relegation this year should not happen in light of us looking like we could finish bottom.
Sounds a bit like the Brexit vote!!
What`s the view from your side of the fence?'"
Your poor recruitment hasn’t been through lack of ambition/penny pinching though. You shelled a lot of money out and made some what looked on paper good signings from the NRL which for some reason haven’t worked out. We haven’t done that since Maguire was here and we signed the 3 Melbourne lads.
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| Some really good comments from you guys and all pretty much on the button.
I get that we have spent a bit this year on Hurrell and Merrin but we have missed out on players such as Greenwood, Austin and I`m sure other cos we wouldn`t pay the extra buck.
We do have some good young lads coming through but the experience on the field is lacking in order to guide them.
We have 2 halfbacks who must be the worse in SL and we have players like Ferres, Singleton and JJB who walk in to the team despite poor performances.
I too think we will escape relegation but only just and we are certainly not too good to go down far from it.
Roll on next year when Wigan and Leeds can resume their rivalry at the top end of the league and not the bottom.
Also agree that whoever does finish bottom gets relegated and if it is us without bigging us up other teams will suffer from the revenue we can bring to the home team maybe not as much as we used to but nevertheless more than Toronto will bring.
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| Quote ="moto748"
Poor as they are, I don't see Leeds or Wigan getting relegated.'"
Leeds are 2 points and Wigan 4 points above relegation, although relegation is unlikely, neither team are safe yet.
This game is massive for both clubs, it will be back to back wins for the victor which would be a confidence boost to go with the 2 league points.
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| From the Rhinos matchday information,
Please note that the M62 westbound between junction 29 (Lofthouse) and junction 28 (Tingley) will be closed from 8pm on Friday 14th June to 5am on Monday 17th June for essential waterproofing work.
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| Quote ="moto748"My take on Leeds is that, like us, they lack structure, plan, and leadership. Way too reliant on just chucking the ball around and hoping for the best in attack. But they do have some very promising youngsters (Walker, Newman).
Poor as they are, I don't see Leeds or Wigan getting relegated.'"
Genuinely believe that we are the worst team in the competition and non availability of flower, ZH and greenwood means we haven't a cat in hells chance on friday
I think Leeds will drub us this weekend and the same next week at Huddersfield.
After that it's hey lads hey. Too many players not good enough or not interested and I suspect London and HKR will have more spirit for the fight re the relegation battle.
Lose our next 2 games and it really will be reality of where we actually are as a team and club.
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| Quote ="Itchy Arsenal"Genuinely believe that we are the worst team in the competition and non availability of flower, ZH and greenwood means we haven't a cat in hells chance on friday
I think Leeds will drub us this weekend and the same next week at Huddersfield.
After that it's hey lads hey. Too many players not good enough or not interested and I suspect London and HKR will have more spirit for the fight re the relegation battle.
Lose our next 2 games and it really will be reality of where we actually are as a team and club.'"
I think it'll be a tight game in poor conditions with the side who makes the least errors winning. I'd probably just about back Leeds given their home advantage (we have struggled away at Leeds for years) and the fact they appear to be picking up a bit of form (won their last two). I do, however, think we will regroup and be nowhere near the relegation battle, possibly making the play offs. Lam should be on thin ice though, he should go if we don't manage 3 from our next four (Leeds, Hudds, Salford, Hull KR).
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| Quote ="Rhinoshaund III"From the Rhinos matchday information,
Please note that the M62 westbound between junction 29 (Lofthouse) and junction 28 (Tingley) will be closed from 8pm on Friday 14th June to 5am on Monday 17th June for essential waterproofing work.'"
You don’t want to go as far as junction 28 anyway so this will not affect anyone travelling from Wigan.
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| Quote ="Grimmy"I think it'll be a tight game in poor conditions with the side who makes the least errors winning. I'd probably just about back Leeds given their home advantage (we have struggled away at Leeds for years) and the fact they appear to be picking up a bit of form (won their last two). I do, however, think we will regroup and be nowhere near the relegation battle, possibly making the play offs. Lam should be on thin ice though, he should go if we don't manage 3 from our next four (Leeds, Hudds, Salford, Hull KR).'"
Lam should have already gone, I don’t know why people think things might improve, it’s misplaced hope if you ask me. The club should already have a coach lined up for next year and should ask him to come early and pay a fee if needs be because if Lam is being kept on as a cheap option to see the season out then the club are taking us fans for mugs.
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| Quote ="Grimmy"I think it'll be a tight game in poor conditions with the side who makes the least errors winning. I'd probably just about back Leeds given their home advantage (we have struggled away at Leeds for years) and the fact they appear to be picking up a bit of form (won their last two). I do, however, think we will regroup and be nowhere near the relegation battle, possibly making the play offs. Lam should be on thin ice though, he should go if we don't manage 3 from our next four (Leeds, Hudds, Salford, Hull KR).'"
I just don't see where our improvement is going to come from.
I'd be very surprised if HKR don't improve under Smith so a home defeat here is for me a stark reality.
I just see us staggering into relegation thinking that we are better than we really are.
Our biggest issue is front row with Clubb now our senior pro in that position followed by Navarette which must be the weakest in the competition by a country mile.
I really do hope that IL has got a t least one new prop lined up to start playing within the next week or so.
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| Quote ="Itchy Arsenal"Genuinely believe that we are the worst team in the competition'"
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| Trouble is we probably don't have enough spare salary cap space to bring in 2 props. It might be tight for one. We have three props now not playing in Flower, Hamlin and Tautai for reasons we know of. Hamlin's salary may become available sometime but the others are here to the season's end. Flower out for around 89 weeks is a blow. Tautai should be back after he's been disciplined and fined.
We do have to win these next few games and we need as strong a pack as we can put out.
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