Lenegan says theres no crisis and we have a great squad. I think hes lost his marbles. If he does not think the alarming standard of play and losing to both London and Huddersfield is not a crisis then he needs help. Its not like its going to get easier for us either with Warrington this week nd you have to wonder where our next win is coming from if theres not a major upturn in standard of performance across all aspects of play.

What is so great about the squad? Its star players are O'loughlin and Williams. One has a foot in the retirement door and the other is badly off form and wanting out of the club.

His comments are a classic case of burying your head in the sand

Yeah, i dont expect him to come out sounding the alarm bells and waving the white flag but a little bit of reality would be nice. The first thing you do when you're in a hole is stop digging.

"I don't think it's a crisis," Lenagan said. "It's been a disappointing start but we've got a good squad of players and they don't become a bad squad of players overnight.

His comments are absolutely right. It’s disappointing but not at crisis stage yet. We’re 5 games in for fffff sake!

No it's not a crisis.................but it could soon become one if we don't start picking up points. Our squad is decidedly poor as a whole. I fear for us on Friday I really do.

We lost against the two worst teams in the comp two weeks on the bounce and what is even more alarming is that our coach even says he is rattled and does not know whats wrong. We are joint bottom only held up by points difference. Then there is the Edwards fiasco and losing Williams. The whole club seems to be crumbling around Lenegan and he says there is no crisis. This is exactly how crisis does start. First there is a denial and then it becomes reality and before you know it, its too late.

The crisis isn't that we have only one won one game so far, the crisis is that yet another star player has been allowed to leave just so that Leneghan can generate a transfer fee to pocket.

I refer you back to his comments. He’s clearly acknowledged that the start has been poor. No issues, he’s right.

The Edwards fiasco as you call it is nothing but paper talk. He’s done a 30 minute TV interview about being the Wigan head coach from 2020. I’ve seen nothing or heard nothing to convince me that won’t be the case.

Williams is still speculation and IL has never ever commented on speculation. I’d go as far as to say they probably all knew this was going to happen before he signed his last deal. Players come and go and not one of us on here can even pretend to know what’s going on behind the scenes in terms of succession planning.

We’ve lost 4 out of 5 games which is rubbish but with the number of games left to play it’s far from a crisis. It’s about perspective, not panic!

My concern in your situation wouldn't be a defeat or the scale of it vs Wire. We are together notorious for biff...
I would be hoping that we didn't pick up any injuries and suspensions that would disadvantage Wigan further against easier opposition.

It’s a winnable game on Friday for us and don’t kid yourself that it’s anything else. On form we won’t win but Wire have been far from unbeatable from what I’ve seen and if we can improve our attitude and energy the game is there for us.

I don’t feel anymore downbeat about our chances on Friday then I do about our games against Salford or Catalans in the following weeks, so I don’t think we’re at the stage of picking and choosing games just yet.

I fear a near half team full of young debutantes at Wigan more than any other, but I don't think that's going to be the case on Friday night is it?

Fingers crossed we’ll have Manfredi available and Greenwood back. If so the team looks capable. It would be an upset on current form but not earth shattering. I don’t think any side in Superleague (I include Saints in that) has looked unbeatable so far. I just hope the da t it’s a big game shakes the players in to action.

Greenwood and Sarginson are back, Manfredi is out.

I can't see us getting within 20 of them.

I can't see us winning but I don't think we'll get smoked either - Wire by 12.

It's not a crisis yet but if Leeds and Hudds win and we go rock bottom, the nerves will begin to jangle for sure.

I cant see anything but a big win for Wire.
How do i come to this conclusion? From how we have played. We have been been DIRE, lets not kid ourselves and at no point have we looked like snapping out of this poor form.

The first 15/20 mins of Fridays game will be telling. If it’s as limp and lifeless as we’ve been on every other game so far, then we’ve got serious problems because it’s a game we should have no problem getting up for.

I disagree to a point. For a spell against Saints we looked strong. For a good part of the Leeds game we looked good, albeit Leeds were poor. For an hour against Roosters we were very good. I’ve seen enough to believe there is a big performance in us and I just hope we deliver it this week, otherwise it could be a very long night!

I meant to change it to say we weren’t too bad in patches against Saints and at least looked keen and after such a weak start against the Roosters we did pretty well but I was too lazy



In the main we’ve been ordinary though and devoid of energy but this is a great chance to turn things around. I just have a feeling we’ll go pretty close on Friday.

I'm sorry, but you can't question his financial commitment to the team.

Williams has wanted to leave for a couple of years. Us getting £500k for a guy that many of us aren't sure is a marquee player is just good business.

Moley reckons the fee is £250k

Considering the money washing around in the NRL I think we can be pretty miffed at that tbh. They’re buying out the last two years of his contract for about a years worth of his salary. We don’t see £100m footballers being bought for £10m so not sure why we’d allow it (on a much lesser scale obviously).

Why can’t I question it? He has recouped quite a lot of expenditure in transfer fees yet we don’t see much in return from a team building perspective. With the exception of a few championship players it’s been one way traffic with quality leaving only to be replaced with either mediocre talent or not being replaced at all. If we have got £500k for Williams then when is this along with other transfer fees we have received being put back into them team, because I’ve yet to see it.
I don’t care if it’s a good business deal, as a supporter I want to see the best players playing for my team, yet all I see is our best players constantly being sold and replaced with dross.

You can’t question Lenagan’s financial commitment because year after year he’s invested millions in the club from his own pocket. He’s invested in the infrastructure of the club and has consistently paid out above the top salary cap. He pushed for 2 marquee players which we had when most others didn’t.
One thing we can’t seriously question is his financial commitment.

I’m questioning his financial commitment to the team In general. Having two marquee players who both came through our academy is nothing to boast about , it simply implies that both players have took the club for granted and creamed off what they can. Leneghans handling of contracts is ridiculous with every player being given either get out of jail cards to return or caveats being written to entice NRL clubs to come and buy. It all doesn’t lie with Leneghan though as Radlinski is as much to blame.

Plus IL was one of the people pushing for the 2 marquee rule wasnt he? Hes not using it

At the time of bringing Tomkins x 2 back, it was exactly the right decision to make and this board would have gone into a meltdown had either been allowed to go to another club. Same applies to Burgess and Leuluai. At that time, it was right for the club and whilst it may not have worked as well as we may have hoped, we can only say so with hindsight.
Williams was heavily linked with Warrington and it was right to make him marquee to keep him from our rivals.
As for players creaming the club that’s a ridiculous comment. If I could get another few grand a year from my boss, I’d take it too!
None of us on here know what long term recruitment plan is and it’s not beyond the realms of possibility that we are laying the foundation for the next era.