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| This is official. Leeds have put Hardacre on the transfer list at his own request. The fee is £300,000. Hardacre says he wishes to test himself in the NRL. " Leaving a sinking ship" comes to mind.
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| good luck to him. with all the nonsense he has created for himself off the field, it could give him the chance to settle down away from the limelight.
good for England/GB as well, as we have seen already how Sam's defence has improved after a spell in the NRL, so hopefully Hardacre can develop his all-round game as well.
he is a talented player. we dont want him to go down the hock route.
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| It's about time Leeds felt what we have been going through over the last three-four years.
Ryan Hall next?
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| Have a sneaky feeling they are clearing a massive chunk of their salary cap in order to sign a certain Wigan second rower
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| All seems a bit strange. They talk about him wanting to go to the NRL but teams over there don't make too many mid season signings. Why make it so public? If he wants to test himself in the NRL surely he would go in the off season and it wouldn't need to be blown up with him being placed on a transfer list.
It just seems like he wants out of a sinking ship and Leeds have thrown their toys out the pram (although to be fair they've stick by him in the past so you can understand them being annoyed).
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| Quote ="NickyKiss"All seems a bit strange. They talk about him wanting to go to the NRL but teams over there don't make too many mid season signings. Why make it so public? If he wants to test himself in the NRL surely he would go in the off season and it wouldn't need to be blown up with him being placed on a transfer list.
It just seems like he wants out of a sinking ship and Leeds have thrown their toys out the pram (although to be fair they've stick by him in the past so you can understand them being annoyed).'"
I don't know the truth of why Hardaker is wanting to leave now (apparently personal reasons and not to do with the club) but it's not true that NRL club's don't make mid-season signings. Peats, Hurrell, Grevsmuhl and Paulo are first graders who've changed club's just this week, and there'll be more moving before the June 30th deadline. If he wants to go to the NRL then now is exactly the time to say so.
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| Quote ="craigizzard"I don't know the truth of why Hardaker is wanting to leave now (apparently personal reasons and not to do with the club) but it's not true that NRL club's don't make mid-season signings. Peats, Hurrell, Grevsmuhl and Paulo are first graders who've changed club's just this week, and there'll be more moving before the June 30th deadline. If he wants to go to the NRL then now is exactly the time to say so.'"
Do you think an NRL team will pay £300k for him mid season though?
Maybe they will but I can't see it. Maybe some sort of swap deal will be sorted out.
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| Apparently its Leeds that want rid early and it's not a salary cap issues . Let's just say Ferresgate seems contagious !!
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| He has A criminal record, he will be lucky to get a visa to oz. apart from that he is crap, in a crap team.
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| Quote ="red in buxton"He has A criminal record, he will be lucky to get a visa to oz. apart from that he is crap, in a crap team.'"
Don't think he got a criminal record for the student attack. Gave him a bit of cash and a "I'm sorry" letter.
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| Quote ="Cherry_Warrior"Have a sneaky feeling they are clearing a massive chunk of their salary cap in order to sign a certain Wigan second rower
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Nope he's already stated to someone he wouldn't join Leeds. He could be persuaded with something ridiculous but think with his reply to someone close to him Leeds would be a no at the moment.
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| Unless there is a deal already in place for Hardaker (sounds like he might have been poached) i can't see anyone wanting him because let's be honest, Sam Tomkins he aint. No matter how hard the Leeds fans pretend he is better but he is miles away. His tacking is better because he is bigger (but Sam's defence is ok anyway for his size) but he has a lot of frailties in his game that will be quickly uncovered in Oz. I hope he goes over there and makes a fist of it because look at Sam now. Ok he isn't the baby faced annoying little quick full back he once was but what he is now (so far) is a well drilled, defensively sound player with a lot more game management in him. Might do Hardaker the world of good going over there and learning to grow up a bit. Zak got found out a bit against New Zealand so would do him the world of good.
On this subject, i saw a text message from Sam T when he first went over to Oz and Jarryd Hayne went past him in his first few games and scored a try and he went straight over to Sam Tomkins and shouted "You are in my world now" Think that probably sums up the determination of the down under players to prove that they are the best.
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| Quote ="Cherry_Warrior"Unless there is a deal already in place for Hardaker (sounds like he might have been poached) i can't see anyone wanting him because let's be honest, Sam Tomkins he aint. No matter how hard the Leeds fans pretend he is better but he is miles away. His tacking is better because he is bigger (but Sam's defence is ok anyway for his size) but he has a lot of frailties in his game that will be quickly uncovered in Oz. I hope he goes over there and makes a fist of it because look at Sam now. Ok he isn't the baby faced annoying little quick full back he once was but what he is now (so far) is a well drilled, defensively sound player with a lot more game management in him. Might do Hardaker the world of good going over there and learning to grow up a bit. Zak got found out a bit against New Zealand so would do him the world of good.
On this subject, i saw a text message from Sam T when he first went over to Oz and Jarryd Hayne went past him in his first few games and scored a try and he went straight over to Sam Tomkins and shouted "You are in my world now" Think that probably sums up the determination of the down under players to prove that they are the best.'"
Or it just proves that Jarryd Hayne is a c#nt.
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| I'd say initially Hardaker would probably look better than Tomkins did in his early days in the NRL as he's good defensively and a strong runner. Once opponents work out that he can't/won't pass he'd become completely anonymous though.
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| He'd do well to better Tomkins tally of approx 11/12 trys and a similar amount of assists in his first season. That was roughly on a par with Greg Inglis and Billy Slater for 2014.
I'd be surprised if Hardaker got 10 combined tbh.
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| Quote ="NickyKiss"He'd do well to better Tomkins tally of approx 11/12 trys and a similar amount of assists in his first season. That was roughly on a par with Greg Inglis and Billy Slater for 2014.
I'd be surprised if Hardaker got 10 combined tbh.'"
Don't mention that Tomkins was actually having some success in the NRL, some of his passes for trys were outstanding. I am haapy to have him back, if fans of other teams believe that he left with his tail between his legs than lets hope that motivates Tomkins to prove how good he is.
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| Quote ="stpatricks"Don't mention that Tomkins was actually having some success in the NRL, some of his passes for trys were outstanding. I am haapy to have him back, if fans of other teams believe that he left with his tail between his legs than lets hope that motivates Tomkins to prove how good he is.'"
He had one good year and one ruined by injury.
That doesn't fit the agenda of some people though as you say.
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| Just as long as we don't make the mistake of offering even £300 for him.
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| Quote ="NickyKiss"He had one good year and one ruined by injury.
That doesn't fit the agenda of some people though as you say.'"
Totally agree, personally thought he brought structure to the Warriors that let Johnson concentrate on his off the cuff game, they might have what they want on the face of it with RTS but they need a Tomkins more. As as been said some of his tip offs to bring centres/wingers into the game were superb. Hate the fact fans of other clubs say he was a failure. If he'd have gone over without a transfer fee everyone would be signing a different tune. He is and always will be better than Hardaker (who as a defensive fullback is top notch) but I would like to see him move back to 6 as he now looks to be trying to organise the team round the park
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| Quote ="thepimp007"Totally agree, personally thought he brought structure to the Warriors that let Johnson concentrate on his off the cuff game, they might have what they want on the face of it with RTS but they need a Tomkins more. As as been said some of his tip offs to bring centres/wingers into the game were superb. Hate the fact fans of other clubs say he was a failure. If he'd have gone over without a transfer fee everyone would be signing a different tune. He is and always will be better than Hardaker (who as a defensive fullback is top notch) but I would like to see him move back to 6 as he now looks to be trying to organise the team round the park'"
I agree with quite alot of what you say here.
Sadly fans and alike will judge you on your most recent form in Tomkins respect his time in the NRL which was not great at the end even though he was injured.
The same can be said for Hardaker who had a great season winning MOS .
But compared to this year many are saying he is crap without truly knowing what is going on in his personal life.
FWIW I think it would be a shame to oust Williams in order to fit Tomkins in the halves.
At FB he offers that piece of unpredictability in attack pretty much like Brent Webb did for Leeds.
And his defence isn`t too bad either.
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| Quote ="NickyKiss"He had one good year and one ruined by injury.
That doesn't fit the agenda of some people though as you say.'"
Dont think its other SL fans who have an agenda
He was recently voted the worst ever NRL signing by some mag down under
He was being paid MORE than GI and whilst he may have got good numbers in 2014 he never put in any performances that would have him down as even a top 5 fullback in that league
He was pretty frail under the high ball and did poorly in a lot of one on ones
He played around 12 games in 2015 but only scored one try
If Hardaker did any of that you would be slating him
Hopefully if Zak goes he will be more under the radar
But Im just hoping he doesnt go tbh
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| Quote ="leedsnsouths"
he never put in any performances that would have him down as even a top 5 fullback in that league
He was pretty frail under the high ball and did poorly in a lot of one on ones
He played around 12 games in 2015 but only scored one try
If Hardaker did any of that you would be slating him'"
Erm... Hardaker has done exactly all of those things this season. In fact 15 games and 1 try, and only 2 assists. Tomkins has already scored 2 tries and 2 assists in 3 and a half games
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| Quote ="leedsnsouths"Dont think its other SL fans who have an agenda
He was recently voted the worst ever NRL signing by some mag down under
He was being paid MORE than GI and whilst he may have got good numbers in 2014 he never put in any performances that would have him down as even a top 5 fullback in that league
He was pretty frail under the high ball and did poorly in a lot of one on ones
He played around 12 games in 2015 but only scored one try
If Hardaker did any of that you would be slating him
Hopefully if Zak goes he will be more under the radar
But Im just hoping he doesnt go tbh'"
Hes doing better than RTS, next you'll be telling us hes no good too.
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| Quote ="Pieman"Hes doing better than RTS, next you'll be telling us hes no good too.'"
In fairness as a Leeds fan he's in a fantastic position to be able to judge what 'no good' is
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