62 minutes and they have been shocking again. No control no direction no leadership.

Woeful.

This team represents nothing I hold dearly about the club.

Its not the halves its your discipline, absolutely shocking

I don't know where to start. Our halves aren't the only issue.

I am amazed we are only 12 points down.

We are in big trouble this season. The two games we won we were very lucky indeed. Our senior players are ill-disciplined, un-interested, are throwing the ball like a group of strangers and our kicking game and distribution is poor. To top that our fowards coming away from our line are doing well to get to the forty metre line on the last.

We are in desperate trouble, with a relegation dogfight at the end of the season the expected bottom third clubs are all putting decent wins in every other game, so it's going to be hard to pull away from them in this form.

Dare I say it......it's starting to feel like 2006 all over again?

It's alright though because Gelling will make 200m and Farrell 40 tackles. Both garbage consistently this season.

We have no good players. We are very very average

sever change needed at our club. lost for words at how bad that was. I think we have some great players but for some reason they are not playing this this coach. time for change.

I will say it again. When you allow quality to leave year on year and you only replace with youth then at one point it all goes downhill.

Leeds was rubbish as well. Very poor quality game. Very very scrappy.

I agree. Wigan of last year would have won that game with a few to spare.

Wane's limitations as a head coach are starting to be massively exposed!

Gelling needs to get in the backrow and add some size to our powderpuff pack. Farrell for me could do with a big offer from Salford. Watching Greenwood and Currie for their respective teams makes me very envious, neither are from Wigan though so Wane probably doesn't rate them.

How many times were we tackled with the ball on the last tackle? How many times did we get in good positions and blow it because we had nobody taking control. Our halves both run sideways, on the odd occasion Williams ran straight he looked ok but he doesn't do it nearly enough.

Despite being garbage we could have won that gave with a bit of craft. We have no craft.

I 100% agree!

We all want a 17 full of home grown players but in real life you've got to be very lucky to get a group to come thru.

Saints tried it when we stopped bringing quality players in and went with youth like Tyrer, foster, ashurst, Dixon etc etc and we even tried two Young halved in lomax and Gaskell.

It didn't turn around until Brown brought in the likes of Amor, walsh, Mose, turner, walmsley, burns, Vea to add to the likes of Lomax, Makinson, Percival, Thompson, Richards, Savelio.

The balance has to be right!

To be fair, both teams had their key men in SOL and sinfield out plus others.

Lack of size and go forward in the forwards is frightening. Yes, we are missing a couple of forwards in Lockers and Flower, but Lockers may never ever be 100% again and Flower isn't massive. The contrast in size with the Leeds Saints and Warrington packs is startling. I am afraid there are serious doubts about IL's and Wane's recruitment policy. The lack of skill and numerous "schoolboy" errors are also shocking - and seem to be increasing rather than decreasing.
Is it a happy dressing room or are the players getting tired of Wane's methods?

Ben Currie is from Golborne, was at Wigan as a youngster, only went Wire at 16 IIRC

Recruitment is what this boils down to the erosion
of experienced players since 2011.
When was the last time we signed a decent player that i mean quality
Wane and lenegan are to blame

At 6-0 up what was the point of taking the two so early in the game? We struggle getting into the Leeds half unless we were gifted it. It was never going to be a low scoring game (our defence this year has been poor), had we run it and scored the 12-0 'could' have been interesting. What do we then do, drop the ball from the re-start and let them in straight away. We never seem to be switched on and I think the opposition teams know we get flustered easily as were a structured team. We'll get buried on Good Friday.

Agree. I stated last week that we are seiously missing a 'Craig Smith' type of prop.
IL needs to give those group of lads a hand and do it sooner than later.

At the moment I am of the mentality I hope we get buried every game as it may instigate change.

I've never seen such a poorly coached Wigan team in my memory. Wane is making Noble look good.

Last week was the first time in a good few years where I actually felt low coming away from the ground after a win. To me the players don't look happy playing for the club and that's half the battle.

What must IL or Rads be thinking? They must know there is something majorly wrong this season - some of it the aftermath of the Grand Final.

We either need at least a couple of forwards and the halves being sorted out - or a new coach.

I have mentioned Mr Edwards a couple of times in the past fortnight.....

Last week Wane went with 3 halves in the 17, Powell and Smith at halfback and Williams on the bench to spell MM and also to be able to mix it up at times as if they had 3 halves on the field.

This week Wigan started with 2 halves, no doubt Wane thought he needed 4 forwards on the bench, Conner Farrell came on for the last 18 mins.
I always thought that when you went with 4 forwards on the bench it was because all of them could be spelled at least once

Wane could not have made it more clearer that Hampshire will not start at standoff unless he is forced into it (like he was in the Hudds match when Williams broke down in the warm up).
I can understand what Rogues and others have said about protecting him by saying he is not ready for an extended run at standoff, but after the complete lack of understanding shown by the halfbacks tonight something has to happen. In there defence though they were not helped by a pack which seemed to be completely rudderless.

Hampshire has got to be given a chance because Williams and Smith seem to play like complete strangers, if Wigan are not carful not only Hampshire but Williams as well will become so disjointed, that what promised to be the prospect of a glittering halfback partnership for years to come could be destroyed.

Hampshire has started 11 matches , 9 of them have been at fullback and only 2 at standoff and one of those at standoff was when he was a late replacement for Williams in the Hudds match.

Spot on.

ATEOTD we obviously in desperate need of an attacking option at 6. Hampshire is the only option in the squad (Wane & IL fault) so there's not very many options other than to play him.

I've already argued on another topic that it's bad for his & Williams development to keep being switched and jolted around like they are.