What it says. Noble offered director of football post

He won't last, that team overall isn't good enough to win anything. Koukash is way too volatile and he thinks throwing money around will win him titles. He has half a good team at the moment, half a team doesn't win trophies. By next season with the age of that team he will have 3 or 4 good players and the rebuilding will start all over again.

Harris is on a hiding to nothing, as was Noble.

Couldn't agree more. There beat signing was Hansen and its sad that he went for the cash (only my opinion)

Can't say I'm that fussed, anyone else?

I can't say, it's hard to know how much influence he had, only Wane and the players can answer that one.

Its a bit bizzaire effectively sacking his coach after a few games, im not sure whats hes expecting from the squad they have

As for harris good luck to him but how long will koucash give him, 10 games?

I'm not overly fussed to be honest.

When i look back to the Madge era you could see the impact that Wane as a number 2 had on the side. I've not heard much on the grapevine about Harris and i've not heard many people singing his praises either.

I'd argue that he has two main roles at Wigan;

1- Look after the attack - Seeing that It's still mainly the wrap around move and not evolved that much since he took over does leave him open to criticism.

2- Offer something different to Wane - Again under Madge, Wane was the slightly softer guy. Madge could be very, clinical and tough in the way he operated. Wane on the other hand offered a different approach especially to the younger lads who were waiting in the wings.

You knew Wane had something about him and that he was next inline. Can you honestly say the same about Harris?

If Harris does leave then i think we should cast our net outside of the club and bring in someone to offer something a little different from not only the 'Wigan Way' but also SL. I'd like someone with a decent attacking skill set who has a grasp on the latest techniques in place in the NRL.

Who knows they could take over Wane one day.

One has to assume that Harris would have been expected to take over when Wane leaves, as the coach-in-waiting, so the fact they were willing to let him go tells me Wigan didn't have that in their long term plan. Perhaps Harris has decided to jump before the decision about his future had to be made.
Salford is going to be a tough place to be successful enough to stay for the long term, so how long before Harris becomes unemployed? And who would go to Salford next?

Odd that so many people make an assumption that because a person leaves, it's because they have been virtually forced out.. Could be he decided to leave himself..... Just a thought...

I think it's difficult to get away from the poor showing by Wales in the World Cup.

No doubt those eager to find problems at the club will now jeer at those who "suddenly don't rate Harris any more" as happy clappers. But the undeniable reality is that Harris has done nothing impressive as a first team coach, and he's now 37 - so it's not like he's still learning the job.

The only question we need ask ourselves is do we want him to take over the top job at Wigan. If the answer is no, then that's all we need to know.

They have a better squad than the league table suggests..the coaching at Salford was awful

Really? Not too sure about that. They have a handful of "marquee" individuals, who are probably better than 3 or 4 of others there put together. But I'm still not convinced there's a deep enough squad to properly contend (I still think they might squeak into 8th though).
Harris might have bitten off a bit more than he can cope with with this move (good luck to him though), and I simply fail to see Koukash's logic. If Nobby wasn't up to the job, what does he think Harris can bring, except how to manage a really bad Welsh team? (or badly manage the Welsh team - delete as required).

Can Harris cope with all the loose cannons at Salford , I doubt it

If he brings the drug cabinet with him, that might explain the Doctor's plan to conquer the world

I just don't see him as having the charisma to be a head coach.

I have said all along I don't get the hype about Salford, their team is average at best and Noble was a shocking appointment. With Harris sadly I think it could be a frying pan to fire scinario.

Just the coaching?
Its widely reported that Koukash personally has a go at the players when they lose. Isnt that undermining the coach?

I don't understand this appointment from Salford's point of view.

Koukash has money to burn so if he wanted a new coach why not try and do what Wigan have done in the past and bring in someone who can really offer something new? I am talking about how we did it with Lowe in the 80's and Madge replacing Noble. Look at the difference they both had and Madge turned a virtually identical team Noble has into GF & CC winners.

This appointment would not inspire me as a Salford fan. I am not saying Harris doesn't have the potential to be a good coach but I can't see him being as influential as Lowe or Madge were at Wigan in terms of shaping a side with potential into real contenders.

I couldn't agree more, very odd....

Totally agree with this

Does anyone actually believe that Nobby was ever a good coach?

IMO he took over Matty Elliot at the Bulls and of a squad of players that didn't require any "super coach" in charge at that time as they were such a star studded bunch of players

Nobby has never ever left any lasting legacy junior wise at any club he has been at, and he is only a short term coach at best

His immediate improved performances of a poor Crusaders squad and there best ever finish surely indicate this do they not?

I actually think that Harris will be a great head coach, although he will be thoroughly tested at Salford by Dr Kockrash

At Wigan, Nobby was better than we'd had before in Millward and Betts. He re-energised the squad and re-organised the team. He was also good in publicity terms. But the oft-quoted cliche about him having no Plan B became evident after a while. Tactically, he was weak, and his limitations became apparent when the new-look Wigan team started challenging for trophies again but were never able to go the last few yards. There were also stories about him feeling challenged by Trent Barrett, and basically denying him involvement in match planning, which anyone with knowledge of the game would realise was ridiculous - Barrett was a treasure trove of strategy, which we could have made much better use of.

The other thing is - Maguire came along and in one season turned the team Nobby had failed to win trophies with into Champions.

I still think Nobby did his bit in resurrecting Wigan as serious contenders, but only the way Alex Murphy did in the early 80s - restoring their self-belief, before a much better coach came along and turned that into worthwhile silver.

It will be interesting to see how Harris & Long combine, & for how long.

Could be interesting when we play them as Harris knows us inside out, letting one of our management team go to the opposition at this point in the season seems strange when we wouldn't let Hock play against us last year!

No, I don't. People forget when he came here in 2006 he came with Fielden and Dobson. I doubt he'd have pulled us out of the fire without the addition of those two players.

I started raising doubts on here in the 2007 season as the longer it progressed the more obvious it became we looked very average when with the players we had we should have been playing better. I also questioned his recruitment of players like Millard and Withers who were past it.

This wasn't a popular stance to be taking given he saved us from relegation but ultimately it was proved right as we had three years of underachievement and Barretts time here was wasted by Noble.

His policy of playing his favourites whenever at the expense of giving young players a chance was just awful. He blamed Golding for a defeat at Leeds and we hardly saw him again (I think he was injured for part of the time but even when he had recovered his face clearly didn't fit).

It's easy to forget these things when you just think he saved us from relegation but looking at his tenure here with all the resources he had at his disposal, the lack of success and how Madge turned a virtually identical team around should have convinced anyone he isn't that good a coach.

Noble is a dated coach and was never gonna take Salford forward. The Doctor clearly knows nothing about rugby and throwing money at the names of rugby league past will not win titles. There is no long term plan, he thinks buying names will win a title. He needs to be realistic and build. Harris will do nothing because to deal with the problem personalities that team has needs a disciplinarian and Harris isnt it !!