We are desperate for one.

Ben Flower at 13 sean O'Loughlin at 11

Do you think HH has realised the error of his ways and would want to come back.

Saving that could Eddy move to the backrow as that's the position he's played the majority of his career at? This would then open the door for another prop possibly.

I think it should be Pettybourne for the time being.

But we must have salary cap space to bring someone in, someone quality as well.

When the club received around a million pounds in transfer fees last season, it's staggering to me that we feel the need to bring in Jordan James. A good, honest player who will try hard but you have to replace quality with quality a) if you're the champions b) if you have money to spend and c) if you're Wigan.

Eddie always played on the left as a second row. I think Clubb was signed as the replacement but is not up to that role.

We need an experienced rightside backrow forward desperately in my opinion.

Problem is that at this point in the season the squads are quite settled and there's no really proven quality out there.

Kirmond is probably the only 2nd rower of note that isn't tied to one of the bigger sides in the league. It would be nice to test the waters for him and see if it's possible.

Wane has a great record of maximising heart. James has all the heart in the world.

We need though quality in the backrow. Real quality. We miss HH massively.

If no one else is available then Eddie could be the standout contender from our makeshift bunch.

Kirmond would not improve us. Big heart but not the level of quality we need.

Kirmond is a very underrated player imo.

One thing is for sure he's better than what we have now and he's a good defensive player who knows his way to the line.

Who else is there really available?

Shocking position to be in really seeing that this time last year we had HH and Tuson as back up.

Jamal fakir is a free agent, might be worth a risk

Lot of kneejerking going in here. Flower for me with Bateman off the bench. Props - Taylor, Clubb, Crosby and Pettybourne

Fakir is the obvious option but he lacks the mobility we need in defence.

Think we need to look to the NRL or reserve grade. Hughes will never be up to it for me.

Wane was after someone for the position, but unfortunately the players current club wouldn't let him go....The player in questions contract is up at the end of the season,so it might just be a case of biding time!!

Flower is a Prop not a second row. Bateman is our future 13 not a specialist right side second row.

Bateman has played the vast majority of his rugby at second row, although I think it's been mostly on the left than the right. That certainly seems to be where he's expected to play as Burke looks like the one being primed to replace O'Loughlin. Bateman will be a quality back row but he's still a long way from his prime as a player.

Flower defends just fine at loose as he did through the play offs, he can defend in the middle with Lockers defendig that right side, then he can attack as a third prop with Lockers controlling things as usual. Bateman's been doing a good job off the bench at SR no issues there IMO

Baffling that anyone could say that we don't have a problem in that position.

We totally lack mobility and leadership in that channel. We have nobody in our squad at the moment capable if filling that role.

Exactly. As said it was supposed to be Clubb but that doesn't look a goer.

I do think Hughes has potential though. Before he got knocked out of his stride by being given the no 4 short last season I thought he looked like a young Joel T. Either way, it's potential and we need a HH replacement pretty quick or I think it will cost us dearly.

I think the plan was Clubb would be the right side second row. I am sure we knew HH was gone prior to singing Clubb.

Clubb though whilst I think can be an asset to the team is not an asset anywhere other than up front.

Fax I feel is also struggling this year. Our second row has gone from being our strongest position to our weakest and it shows.

I am sure you mean Faz but yes it is much weaker though I thought Faz had his best game so far this season (well in the 2nd half). I think Silverwood really annoyed him and it was like a red rag to a bull. I felt he really lifted the team with his runs and drives.

Agreed. Farrell got the MOM and for once I think the sponsors got it right.

Thought Faz was poor tonight. Bowen for me was comfortably man of the match.