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| People keep mentioning Matty Smith as a replacement - well and good, a sound option, and definately one of the more improved backs this season, but who would partner him - how about Gareth Widdop from Melbourne Storm at no6 , performs consistently well and is English too, was outstanding last season for Storm and has been one of the lead performers so far this season, perfomed well for England last year when given the opportunity, and a good utility player who can fill in at fullback, centre or in the halves,reckon these two would do well under the Wane regime.
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| Yes assuming he's out of contract and that he wants to play for Wigan
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| I'm surprised nobody has mentioned Widdop before, sounds like a plan to me
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| why the hell would Gareth Widdop leave the best team in Australia to come play for Wigan, just because he's English or something? absolutely no chance on this earth
some people need a grip of reality on here. Why don't we just see if Thurston fancies a few season at 7 too?
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| We're really going to struggle to find a replacement, and the majority of people we would be able to attract would be a step down.
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| Quote ="Bill Sonny"why the hell would Gareth Widdop leave the best team in Australia to come play for Wigan, just because he's English or something? absolutely no chance on this earth
some people need a grip of reality on here. Why don't we just see if Thurston fancies a few season at 7 too?'"
Exactly, the whole widdop thing is a total non-starter.
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| People need to get a reality check, any top player in the NRL will not leave to join a super league side unless their getting on a bit and want to prolong their career in a second rate competition. Widdop is currently playing stand off for the best team in the best competition in world, he get's paid more, has more recognition, he is well settled with family and friends in Australia he simply isn't going to move to Wigan or any other super league team in the next 7 or 8 years. The whole dependence on Aussie half back imports will shortly become a thing of the past and we must look to start developing our own.
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| The only thing that makes Widdop slightly less unrealistic than someone like Thurston, Cronk, Cherry-Evans, Marshall or Carney is that he obviously wouldnt have to sacrifice rep honours to play over here. Other than that it is VERY unlikely. He's 23, starting 6 for the current NRL league leaders playing alongside Slater, Cronk and Smith, his close English family are out there and he is is settled in Oz with a gf and kids. Melbourne won't want rid either. Apparently he's not on silly wages but it's doubtful we'd be able to compete after the cap increase. Complete non starter for me, would love him here, but won't happen anytime soon.
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| It'll be Rangi Chase and Smith.
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| Quote ="JTB"It'll be Rangi Chase and Smith.'"
And I'll be happy with that. I would be happier with Brough/Soward and Smith though.
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| Quote ="Bill Sonny"why the hell would Gareth Widdop leave the best team in Australia to come play for Wigan, just because he's English or something? absolutely no chance on this earth
some people need a grip of reality on here. Why don't we just see if Thurston fancies a few season at 7 too?'" What about if Finch goes back to the storm?
No place for Widdop it's all well and good getting paid to do nothing but players want to play every week and he wont get in a full back with Slater there
I dont think Chase would be good for us he's to off the cuff for a structured team like us maybe Wane would drill it in him but might take time
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| rumours on our end that we are after chase and you will get myler from us dont think its true as we are always linked with chase and myler is always linked to go.
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| Quote ="wolfinwidnes"rumours on our end that we are after chase and you will get myler from us dont think its true as we are always linked with chase and myler is always linked to go.'"
now Myler would be an excellent option, we all know hes better than TomPkins
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| Weve got it covered no need for panic, if we sign matty smith which it looks like we have then the easiest way to re-organise would be to put Sam back in at the half backs just like we did with shaun edwards and give Matty Russell the full back role, hes proving himself at this level for hull maybe needs to touch up on his defence but going forward he could be another billy slater, problems solved! All we need then is for Matty Smith to step up to the plate! SIMPLES!
Weve certainly got enough strenght and depth in the forwards coming through weve got 3 big young lads in Crosby, Burke and Spencer. With Burke being able to play at loose or second row so we have all areas covered
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| Russell is nowhere near good enough to replace Sam at fullback. He's not proving himself at all, he's simply showing that he's got potential. He's a long, long way off being good enough to be first choice fullback. He can't deal with high kicks and his positioning is off defensively while his attacking game needs work, mainly his passing and his ability to join the attacking line.
Besides, Shaun Wane has already stated that Tomkins is staying at fullback.
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| I think it will be hard to get any top class Aussie because of the exchange rate,so probably we are better sticking to English based players.
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| This is why we need a 'fans forum' at the club to clear up some of these issues as i have stated on another thread. IL can re-assure some of the fans on our recruitment for next season and any other business happening. We havent had one for ages and they were well attended previously. Im pretty sure supporters would like to know who will be pulling a shirt on next season. In light of our incresed season ticket sales i would think the club would like to keep it on an upwards curve next season and recruitment is very much a part of that process.
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| Quote ="yickpie24"This is why we need a 'fans forum' at the club to clear up some of these issues as i have stated on another thread. IL can re-assure some of the fans on our recruitment for next season and any other business happening. '"
But it's rare, if at all, that any concrete news is released at the fans forums. All we get is generalities and spin. He's not going to come out and say we're after <insert player name> until it's all finalised, and a press release works fine for those announcements.
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| Quote ="Cherry.Pie"Russell is nowhere near good enough to replace Sam at fullback. He's not proving himself at all, he's simply showing that he's got potential. He's a long, long way off being good enough to be first choice fullback. He can't deal with high kicks and his positioning is off defensively while his attacking game needs work, mainly his passing and his ability to join the attacking line.
Besides, Shaun Wane has already stated that Tomkins is staying at fullback.'"
He has also said the replacement half back is already at the club which must mean one of the junior players if he says Sam is staying at 1. If so I don't see how they can be considered good enough to be a first choice half back in exactly the same way Russell can't be considered ready to play at full back for the first team. In fact given he has been on loan and got some SL experience he is further down the line in acquiring the necessary experience to play 1st team footy than any of the junior half backs.
If Russell isn't ready neither are any of the home-grown half backs and with M Smith and a junior player at 6 and 7 the drop in quality and experience from Finch and Tommy is going to be huge.
If Wane doesn't want to plug that glaring gap with Sam that is up to him but unless we do sign someone we are going to have a problem at half back next season at some point. Junior players can be sensational for a while but soon get worked out by the opposition unless they are freakishly good like Sam.
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| Just because a player hasn't had first team experience doesn't mean they aren't good enough, it just means they don't have experience. You seem to be getting ability and experience mixed up and assuming that anyone who plays first team must be better than anyone who hasn't.
Russell has massive flaws in his game that so far haven't been ironed out and that would almost certainly make him unsuitable to be first choice fullback.
I don't disagree about concerns over which player from within the club will step up as playing someone who doesn't have first team experience is a big risk. That might mean having faith in Joe Mellor, who doesn't completely convince me, or Sam Powell. I think Powell is more likely to be successful but he's still out injured and that means if he is expected to play a part for the first team next year it will be better for him to get some experience this year, either on loan or with the first team.
Russell's first team experience makes him one of many possible options, but it doesn't necessarily mean he's the best option or the most likely option, as seems to be the case with Wane saying Tomkins will stay at fullback.
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| logan tomkins he is going well at widnes
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| Quote ="wolfinwidnes"logan tomkins he is going well at widnes'"
do you mean joe mellor?
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| yeah thats him oops
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| I think it will be Smith and Sam at halfs
If thats the case then thats
Finch, Carmont, Leuluai, Lima, Roberts >OUT
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Thats 5 spaces on the quota which no doubt leaves a nice chunky space in the cap for a big signing!
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| Quote ="ArcticGorilla"I think it will be Smith and Sam at halfs
If thats the case then thats
Finch, Carmont, Leuluai, Lima, Roberts >OUT
Smith <IN
Thats 5 spaces on the quota which no doubt leaves a nice chunky space in the cap for a big signing!'"
Sam will not play 6 under Waney.
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