They say a picture tells a thousand words... twitpic.com/3vjp2x

They say a picture tells a thousand words... twitpic.com/3vjp2x

*likes this*

You can feel the atmopshere at that press conference even from here.

heres to the 5th grand final loss in a row guys

I might just bookmark this as the season hasn't started yet.


Don't count your chickens yet. Injuries to key players could haunt you as it did to other teams last season. Get down to your fourth or fifth choice halfbacks etc. and then see how you go. It's alright having strength in depth but it is how far depth you have in one or two positions. You can't be playing props and second rowers in the halves and still expect to play like you have your first choice there.

Quote ="Folly Field"They say a picture tells a thousand words... twitpic.com/3vjp2x'" I believe Wellens is thinking, " If were both captains, why has Graham got a saucer and spoon with his coffee and I've not ". Jealousy is a terrible thing.

Quote ="Folly Field"They say a picture tells a thousand words... twitpic.com/3vjp2x'" I believe Wellens is thinking, " If were both captains, why has Graham got a saucer and spoon with his coffee and I've not ". Jealousy is a terrible thing.

i think this should turn into a caption thread. i cant think of one right now , i am sure some of you guys can

I posted this photo on the Saints forum last night and got this response from Sad end "Body language sums the club up." He's a happy boy then.

Who last season were down to 'their Fourth or Fifth choice half backs'?

Do teams even have 4th and 5th choice half backs?

Pretty sure we had a fair few injuries throughout last season also.

i think we(wigan) had 5 or 6 players missing all season

They might not be that lucky!

The loss of Roberts alone (and he wasn't alone) was worth the loss of two or three players, given the form he'd shown up until that moment.

Didn't we have to play a Loose Forward at standoff in one of our playoff games? Or maybe I just made that up

How james granham could be captain is laughable wellens is the only one left who gets my respect graham is childish and not a leader as the four nations proved id would have thought leon or roby would be in with a shout

Huh? He was a superb captain in the Four Nations. Led from the front, as would be expected from him. That most of the team couldn't follow where he was leading was the problem of his team mates, not him.

so...poor leadership then...you have to adjust your leadership style not make people follow yours.

Before i read past 'dont count your chickens yet' may i ask where in my post am i counting my chickens? Nowhere have I hinted that Wigan will win the grand final again.

To be honest, we're reading an awful lot into one photograph.

But that picture does seem to say a lot.

We had five captains last year because Michael Maguire wanted to create an 'officer corps' within a previously leaderless team, which he duly did. With Wellens and Graham, given their increasing propensity to throw hissy fits if things aren't going right, I can't help suspecting that they've both been made captain because they both demanded it.

Okay, it may have been a momentary thing which caught them all at a bad moment, but that photograph does not appear to show three men who see eye to eye on things.

It's a bit weird this one, for the last decade St Helens have gone through a succession of all their club heroes getting a couple of years or so of being captain (Joynt, Sculthorpe, Long, Cunningham) and now when they get to the last of that group they don't give it him. Surely it would have made sense to give Wellens the captaincy for 2/3 years till he retires, at which point Graham would be 27/28 and hopefully at the right level of maturity to take up the captaincy. Unless, they are giving him the joint captaincy earlier than planned to try to stop him buggering off to the NRL, having two captains also means if he does go next year then they will still have a captain in Wellens. If that's their thinking it could be pretty smart, just speculation though.

That's how it seems to be. They want Wellens as captain, but Graham wants to be captain and they need to keep him happy.

Ah. I see. So that's why we regularly beat the Aussies when all the previous players were captains. Or were they all poor as well?

At least James Graham has actually captained a side to victory over the Aussies.

Actually, they have given the captaincy to both of them. Both Wello and Jammer are 'club heroes' and equally right for the job but with very different styles.