Wasn't at the game yesterday, but heard that Joel was sin-binned by Ganson for dissent. Apparently penalty had already been awarded to Wigan.

Was the decision reversed and a penalty awarded to Quins? Or did the original penalty stand?

Will Ganson be so strict if and when he referees a Saints game ( probably against Wigan in the Play-Offs as he did last year!) and KFC or James Graham show dissent as they have been regularly doing - last week and in other Sky games I've seen.

Yes he reversed the penalty.

ganson reminds me of him who retired from prem football other year after giving same bloke 3 yellow cards , cant think of his name but he liked been of attention all time

Reversing the penalty is typical of Ganson - decisions like that can clearly alter the course of a game ( Wigan were only 8 -0 up at the time!). Instead of attacking the Quins line, Wigan were defending theirs. Fortunatley Quins didn't score while Wigan were down to 12 men - but that's no thanks to Ganson.

Would Ganson have sin-binned KFC last week for dissent? I know Bentham penalised him, but ....!

So you weren't at the game but you're in a position to know what Joel said and how he said it? There's a difference between questioning a decision and swearing/shouting at a ref.

"Everyone's against us" seems to be a common theme on this forum at the moment.

At the end of the day Joel shouldnt have spoke to the ref, any other ref probably wouldnt have give it but Joel should have known better.

If there is any ref you don't talk back to it's Ganson. I think we'd been penalised a couple of times for dissent before the sin bin so it's no real suprise that Joel saw yellow.

Ganson is a fool.

If a grown man can't take someone swearing at him without getting all pedantic then he's even more of an idiot than I thought.

Bentham got it correct last week with with Graham. He simply had a word with him & told him 2 calm down. It's a game of rugby ffs! Tempers flair in the heat of the moment and all Ganson needed 2 do was have a quiet word with Joel but that has never been Gansons style as his ego won't allow it.

No need for a yellow card no matter what Joel said

Obviously I don't want to see any of our players being sin binned, but if they are shouting/swearing/arguing with referees then surely there can't be any complaints? Just watch any game of football and you'll see the way players act when there is no penalty for dissent! I couldn't make it to the game yesterday because of work, and so can't comment on this exact incident, but i'm getting a bit annoyed with people constantly looking to blame referees/a.n.other factor for incidents in our games. Whether it was Ganson, Bentham or any other ref, players shouldn't be arguing decisions. Personally i'm enjoying watching some quality rugby and seeing my team top of the league, deservedly!!

There was 4 seconds left on the clock when it happened so neither team would have got much of an advantage.

Ganson had already given three penalties in the game for dissent. Joel should have had the common sense to keep his mouth shut.

why was he moaning anyway if we'd just got a penalty?

Absolutely spot on.

I referee and I will not tolerate anyone speaking to me part from the captains who can question my decision whether I answer it or not is my choice. Rugby is a great game not only because of the game but the rules that ensure discipline is upheld. Ganson is a good ref end of story, and I would have him ref any of our games vs saints or not. This is not the first time J Tompkins has been in bother for back chat this season and discipline in general at wigan is still a problem.

so you know exactly what graham said and exactly what Joel said? Ad rogues said, we'd already given away a few penalties for discent. Joel should know better regardless who the ref is.

I know let's just tell Joel not be passionate about playing for Wigan last few week s I ve been watching him he s been shouting at senior players the same way behind the sticks , most of the Leeds team are shouting at refs week in week out but newt happens to them

Ganson is a complete ego maniac. Just look at the way he spoke to Fielden in the match against, was it, Leeds? Very similar to the football referee... Graham Poll

a good ref my .
didnt he penalise fielden because he didnt like the way he looked at him.

Spoke to Ganson after the match in the bar and he told me exactly what Joel said to him, not nice and sin bin was probably correct, dont know about the reversing of the penalty though

I was wondering that, too.

Me too, and Joel deserved the sin binning.

Ganson is a top referee (awaits the flak) as you know what your going to get with him - if you chat back your going for 10 everytime - I remember he sent Sam for 10 mins last year with about 3 mins to go at home to someone like Quins.

Its decisions like this were we need to keep our game above football on respect to the referee.

It doesn't matter what was said IMO.

It's a game where tempers occasionally flair.

Joel obviously had cause 2 be angry. What's wrong with him saying his peace?

Gansons ego is the only thing which I've got an issue with. I've got no problems with the refs being hounded like they are in football because at the end of the day I have zero respect for them.

Refs 99% of the time spoil a good game of RL

Theres a difference between saying your piece and abusing a referee though.

Why do we feel the need 2 build refs up into something they aren't?

Ateotd their only human and will make mistakes. Why is it so bad for players 2 point these out. It's almost like it's ok for them 2 make mistakes. I certainly don't go 2 games 2 watch the Steve Ganson show or pay good money for him 2 make the wrong calls.

We give refs far 2 much credit and respect & the sooner we move 2 an NFL type system where you can challenge thief calls the better. It really is time limit the refs influence on a game.

Joel had no cause to be angry. He'd had the ball stolen and the penalty given for his side! Instead he decided to give the referee a mouth full and paid the penalty (pardon the pun). What about that is so hard to understand? Oh and take into account the penalties before hand given for dissent...