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| Sam T and Locky called up to train-on squad according to BBC news ticker
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| Confirmed on the official website.
Well done to both players. Both deserve it after fantastic seasons.
Shame Gleeson isn't included.
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| Quote ="cadoo"Confirmed on the official website.
Well done to both players. Both deserve it after fantastic seasons.
Shame Gleeson isn't included.'"
Bridge over Gleeson???
And people actually try to defend Smiths selection process?
Either way I hope both Lockers and Sam don’t make the final squad and they rest up over the winter.
International RL is a joke
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| Its not always about ability though is it. Smith obviously knows something about Gleeson and doesnt like it. Therefore doesnt want him around the squad.
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| Quote ="cadoo"Shame Gleeson isn't included.'"
On reflection over the season probably doesn't deserve it.
However even if he did its unlikely Smith would have picked him anyway, what with Chris Bridge about to run rings round Greg Inglis.
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| Quote ="Wigan/Leeds Andy"On reflection over the season probably doesn't deserve it.
However even if he did its unlikely Smith would have picked him anyway, what with Chris Bridge about to run rings round Greg Inglis.'"
Maybe if Inglis plays with broken legs.
just maybe
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| Quote ="Eric_Cartman_is_a_saint"Its not always about ability though is it. Smith obviously knows something about Gleeson and doesnt like it. Therefore doesnt want him around the squad.'"
The same Smith that made him captain for the Wales game?
If he didn’t know about Gleeson’s chequered past then when the rest of RL did then he’s even more of an imbecile that I thought.
And speaking of Chris Bridge he’s hardly whiter than white is he;
[urlhttp://www.guardian.co.uk/sport/2009/jul/28/warrington-wolves-players-alleged-affray[/url
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| Doesn't surprise me one bit.
Well done to Sam and Sean.
Smith is still an rsole though.
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| Well done to them both, and well done to Hansen for being called into the Samoa squad, just a shame that outside Aus and NZ international RL is embarrassing.
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| Quote ="thepriestman85"The same Smith that made him captain for the Wales game?
If he didn’t know about Gleeson’s chequered past then when the rest of RL did then he’s even more of an imbecile that I thought.
And speaking of Chris Bridge he’s hardly whiter than white is he;
[urlhttp://www.guardian.co.uk/sport/2009/jul/28/warrington-wolves-players-alleged-affray[/url'"
Exactly.
For me Joel Tomkins deserves a place over Ben Harrison. He is a better player.
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| Quote ="cadoo"Exactly.
For me Joel Tomkins deserves a place over Ben Harrison. He is a better player.'"
I get the whole trying to develop international talent but Bridge isn’t good enough to be given a go.
At the end of the day Warrington have done hardly anything this season.
Their fans will come on and rave about the C.C but realistically they didn’t get to face the two best teams in the comp in Saints and Leeds (we all know what their record is against them as well). They beat a woeful Wigan side and got lucky with the video ref in the final against Hudds.
Yes they did well to win the thing as it represents 50% of the trophies out there but other than that they’ve been poor this season and the league table doesn’t lie.
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| Wonder whether he'll consider giving Eastmond a run at centre - he's looked pretty explosive at times in that position. Would be a big gamble from a defensive perspective though.
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| Quote ="MadDogg"Wonder whether he'll consider giving Eastmond a run at centre - he's looked pretty explosive at times in that position. Would be a big gamble from a defensive perspective though.'"
Hope not. I can think of 8 Aussie centres who would run over/through/round him every time.
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| Quote ="Bridger"Hope not. I can think of 8 Aussie centres who would run over/through/round him every time.'"
At the end of the day i'd rather see him there than Bridge as he'll actually cause a problem for the Aussies. Far 2 long have we’ve opted for safety rather than raw talent and pace.
We aren’t going to beat the Aussies over the three test series so let’s get exciting players in there and just attack at them.
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| To be fair i hope whoever is selected for the matches performs well and is given some support - yes even bridge I have a horrible feeling he's going to get completely run over by the likes of Inglis. I will be more than happy to be wrong though
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| TBH i only expect Bridge, Sam and Harrison etc to get games againts teams like Wales and France, against Aus and NZ he will go with same old same old (not that it works)
Wales/France:
Briscoe
Hall
Shenton
Bridge
Fox
Sam
Myler
LMS
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And yet again were made an embarrassment out of!!
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| Quote ="Bridger"Hope not. I can think of 8 Aussie centres who would run over/through/round him every time.'"
In fairness that rule applies to most centres we have.
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| Also just looking at the squad...how the f*ck has Paul Sykes got in before Gleeson ATEOTD even if Smith doesnt like Gleeson, hes the best option we have on that , what an idiot
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| To be fair to Bridge, it wasn't as if Gleeson was running rings round him in the semi-final was it? He hasn't been picked for the team just a train-on squad.
At least Smith is showing a willingness to try something new, previous coaches had stuck with the same faces on too many occasions, such as when Noble picked Harris against the Aussies ahead of a young Danny McGuire who had ripped up super league all season.
Players such as Shenton, Atkins, Eastmond, Welham and even Bridge are likely to have more of an international future at centre than Gleeson who hasn't stood out in the Wigan team really if people are honest.
Well done to Sam and Sean who deserve their selection. Not sure if Prescott is representing Ireland but he is the one Wigan player who I think possibly deserves a call-up as he's been excellent whenever I've seen him, but unfortunately prop is England's strongest position (and centre England's weakest).
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| Gillmour should play in the ahead of Bridge imo
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| Shocking, end of, we need to look to the future but not by getting massacred time and time again.
I agree Gleeson has not been on top form but his defence has been excellent since his move to Wigan and this is what we need against the Aussies/Kiwi's.
I have a lot of respect for him as a club coach but internationally I am not convinced at all.
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| Stop going on about bridge. he is only in the train on squad and wont make the final cut for the 4 nations.
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| The problem though with trying to judge an England/GB coach is that its difficult to know how well they are really doing due to the total imbalance in power in the international game. Until we have a set up where several teams are regularly competing at international level the England coach whoever they are is going to look like the messiah when we play France, Wales, Ireland et al. but is then going to look like an inept fool who shouldn't be near the job when we play Australia and New Zealand. You can't make a silk purse out of a sow's ear.
Same with selections really we can debate all day who should and should not be in but at the moment whoever we select will beat France & the others and will lose (possibly embarrassingly so) to Aus & NZ.
But that won't stop me cheering for whoever is playing in the England shirts during any internationals.
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| So we're looking at a team of:
Mathers, Penny, Bridge, Johnson, Riley, ah balls to it you get the idea.
How Bridge, Harrison or Westwood are anywhere near an International squad is shocking imo.
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| So I make that 2 out of 9 eligible players in our normal 17 to make the squad at a time when English RL has never been so bad? Perhaps IL should get on to Tony Smith and tell him how good he thinks our squad is.
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