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Surely this has to be some kind of wind up both Saints and Wire as well as ourselves are trying to sign/resign Coley.

Come on pull the other one.

Cadoo, i have watched wigan from when ian potter was prop and david stephenson was kicking goals. my wooden seat from central park is in my garage! dont start please. what makes me laugh is your over the top reaction because its obvious you want certain players out.. you can believe what you want but i think i know a bit more than you, contact saints if you want

but dont let your opinion blind common sense. your making out some of our current players are rubbish..... can you not be positive about anything?? your entitled to your opinion but dont talk about things you clearly have little knowledge of.

It does not shock me tbh.

Anyone seen that try from Craig Calvert on sky sports tonight? No winger at Wigan could of scored that.

Great try

I do want certain players out. Not because I have anything against them personally or some sort of vendetta. I just believe the performances they have put in at Wigan (namely Phil Bailey and Andy Coley) over the course of their entire stay at Wigan (not just the last few weeks) has not been up to the standard that will take us into the top two. They have both been average at best and now that both their contracts are up we have the chance to release them and strengthen in the forwards. Something we have been needing to do for the last two seasons.



I don't think this applies to me - more to you. I have stated my reasons and both times you have replied you told me to not watch Wigan next season and that you think you know more than me. You have offered nothing to the debate and can't offer me any reasons against my argument.



But some of them are or are not up to a good enough standard to break into the top two. Hence our current position and hence we have never been near Saints or Leeds for 4/5 years?



Of course I can but can you not be realistic about anything?



That is very rich coming from someone who has offered absolutely nothing to this debate.

What exactly are you referring to here?

Unbelievable try!

He's a player i think a few superleague teams have looked at for a number of years now but nobody has ever taken a punt on him.

We don't need any wingers but there must be a superleague side that could mould him into a better player.

ok here goes....It just seems that you think other clubs would not be interested in the likes of coley and bailey because your opinion of them is so low. saints have enforcer props in graham etc and realistically might want coley who is solid in defence and quite quick for a prop to sit on there bench as fourth choice prop. So to would wire. The qualities they have will be snapped up at other clubs. I understand that we dont have an enforcer prop and need one (Coley is certainly not that) but I would still like to see him being kept on at Wigan for the same reasons that the likes of saints, wire and possibly hudds are interested in having him at their clubs for.
Do you kind of understand the point i am making? I still want to see Kite and Webb here, dont get me wrong.

If we signed Coley and he continues to play the way he has played over the last 2 years, I would be very dissapointed.

If he signed for Saints, he would get coached into playing his weight and would be a very good standard.

Unless something drastic happens to the coaching setup at Wigan, its a lose-lose situation.

I think he has been the form prop since the salford game, not disappointed at all with his performances of late.
I do agree that coaching has a lot to do with the performances, but not just
him , all the team . A new coach would possible bring the best out of them.

This is a key point.

There are plenty of good players at Wigan. Most of the first team would get into any other first team in the competition.

There are two questions here: Why do good players become average players when they're at Wigan? And why do average players at Wigan become good players when they go somewhere else?

Two questions - and one answer.

Calvert played for Wigan.

Yet still, that isn't very good.

As usual we over-bill our form players, and he's played a lot better of late yet he cannot resist stopping before he hits the line, running sideways and knocking on.

Surely coaching the first two out of him would make him a far better player?

Didn't know that.

Was he on trial at some point?

He's had trials at both Wigan and Warrington, in the U21s.

Right.

I'm suprsied nobody from superleague has ever taken him on especially when you consider teams like Salford and Celtic have come up and have been scratching around for players.

He's always been rapid when i've seen him but maybe he's got too many flaws.

IL if your watching Souths v Brisbane please sign DAVID TYRRELL



Only played 2 first grade games for souths and both times i've been very impressed with him. Deffo a real star of the future

You make the point that Saints and Wire would use him as a 4th choice prop and would like to seem him used in that way I would agree but he would not be used as a 4th choice prop would he? He would be a first choice prop because the standards at Wigan are that low. I agree other players deserve to leave before Coley but their contracts are not out yet are they? We can only deal with things as they come and have the opportunity to strengthen our forward pack by releasing Coley and Bailey and bringing in players who will improve the squad.

We can sign Coley and Bailey for another year all we want but we will only see the same pack get smacked across the park by other teams and players like Tronc going to Wakefield.

Position?

Second row/prop

He will do get him signed!

THE COWBOYS are preparing to make Johnathan Thurston an offer that will make the Maroons halfback the richest player in the game. Sport Confidential has been told North Queensland are prepared to offer Thurston a staggering $700,000 a year, a deal which should stop the player rated as the best in the game from returning to the Bulldogs. Cowboys CEO Peter Parr has been scouring North Queensland for third-party sponsors and has all but secured the deal that will be offered to Thurston during the off-season. "I am pretty confident we'll come up with a deal that will be very hard to match," Parr said. www.dailytelegraph.com.au/sport/ ... 5751177427

THE COWBOYS are preparing to make Johnathan Thurston an offer that will make the Maroons halfback the richest player in the game. Sport Confidential has been told North Queensland are prepared to offer Thurston a staggering $700,000 a year, a deal which should stop the player rated as the best in the game from returning to the Bulldogs. Cowboys CEO Peter Parr has been scouring North Queensland for third-party sponsors and has all but secured the deal that will be offered to Thurston during the off-season. "I am pretty confident we'll come up with a deal that will be very hard to match," Parr said. www.dailytelegraph.com.au/sport/ ... 5751177427

Quote ="changa"THE COWBOYS are preparing to make Johnathan Thurston an offer that will make the Maroons halfback the richest player in the game. Sport Confidential has been told North Queensland are prepared to offer Thurston a staggering $700,000 a year, a deal which should stop the player rated as the best in the game from returning to the Bulldogs. Cowboys CEO Peter Parr has been scouring North Queensland for third-party sponsors and has all but secured the deal that will be offered to Thurston during the off-season. "I am pretty confident we'll come up with a deal that will be very hard to match," Parr said. www.dailytelegraph.com.au/sport/ ... 5751177427'" thanks Fredie although we really didnt think we'd have a chance of signing him

Quote ="changa"THE COWBOYS are preparing to make Johnathan Thurston an offer that will make the Maroons halfback the richest player in the game. Sport Confidential has been told North Queensland are prepared to offer Thurston a staggering $700,000 a year, a deal which should stop the player rated as the best in the game from returning to the Bulldogs. Cowboys CEO Peter Parr has been scouring North Queensland for third-party sponsors and has all but secured the deal that will be offered to Thurston during the off-season. "I am pretty confident we'll come up with a deal that will be very hard to match," Parr said. www.dailytelegraph.com.au/sport/ ... 5751177427'" thanks Fredie although we really didnt think we'd have a chance of signing him

[iIf[/i Coley continues to play at the level he has recently, then I think [iif[/i a wage can be agreed that suits both Wigan and Coley, we should keep him.

Reasons for this:

- he is settled at the club and will need no time to 'gel'

- his current performances are very strong and he doesn't require a quota spot

- he can provide adequate cover in the second row, which will mean we won't need to waste further money on another second rower, thereby restricting places for well performing youngsters

- a new coach should see us get the best out of him; yes he has his flaws, but I firmly believe these can be coach out of him

- as part of a properly assembled pack, there will be less demand on him and he can excel in the areas of his game that are strongest

Coley is not and never will be an exciting prop that will really get the crowd going like an enforcer or impact prop will. What he does provide however is solid defence and a willingness to take up the ball and make the hard yards in our own half of the pitch.

Obviously we'll still need another prop as well as retaining Coley, but if we can find an enforcer of the right quality, and Coley keeps up his strong performances this year, we should start to see a turn around in the pack.