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2009 Try Scoring Strike Rates
1 Shaun Ainscough 141.6%
2 Pat Richards 83.3%
3 Sam Tomkins 53.3%
4 Karl Pryce 50%
5 George Carmont 41.1%
6 Cameron Phelps 38.4%
7 Gareth Hock 35.2%
8 Harrison Hansen 33.3%
9 Darrell Goulding 33.3%
10 Phil Bailey 27.7%
11 Amos Roberts 26.3%
12 Sean O'Loughlin 25%
13 Thomas Leuluai 19%
14 Martin Gleeson 18.1%
15 Joel Tomkins 15.7%
16 Mark Riddell 10.5%
17 Tim Smith 7.1%
18 Mike McIlorum 6.6%
19 Stuart Fielden 5.2%
20 Iafeta Paleaaesina 4.7%
21 Richard Mathers 0%
22 Mark Flanagan 0%
23 Lee Mossop 0%
24 Eamon O'Carroll 0%
25 Paul Prescott 0%
26 Andy Coley 0%
Who should be doing better?
They get worked out by the way doing tries divided by appearances to give a percentage.
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| Quote ="Bilko":3n4tjpim2009 Try Scoring Strike Rates
1 Shaun Ainscough 141.6%
2 Pat Richards 83.3%
3 Sam Tomkins 53.3%
4 Karl Pryce 50%
5 George Carmont 41.1%
6 Cameron Phelps 38.4%
7 Gareth Hock 35.2%
8 Harrison Hansen 33.3%
9 Darrell Goulding 33.3%
10 Phil Bailey 27.7%
11 Amos Roberts 26.3%
12 Sean O'Loughlin 25%
13 Thomas Leuluai 19%
14 Martin Gleeson 18.1%
15 Joel Tomkins 15.7%
16 Mark Riddell 10.5%
17 Tim Smith 7.1%
18 Mike McIlorum 6.6%
19 Stuart Fielden 5.2%
20 Iafeta Paleaaesina 4.7%
21 Richard Mathers 0%
22 Mark Flanagan 0%
23 Lee Mossop 0%
24 Eamon O'Carroll 0%
25 Paul Prescott 0%
26 Andy Coley 0%
Who should be doing better?
They get worked out by the way doing tries divided by appearances to give a percentage.'"
Roberts seems a bit low, but im now quite confident in that improving throughout the rest of the season. He seems to be gaining in confidence by the week and improving with every outing. Though a lot seem to disagree. |
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| Quote ="Bilko"2009 Try Scoring Strike Rates
1 Shaun Ainscough 141.6%
2 Pat Richards 83.3%
3 Sam Tomkins 53.3%
4 Karl Pryce 50%
5 George Carmont 41.1%
6 Cameron Phelps 38.4%
7 Gareth Hock 35.2%
8 Harrison Hansen 33.3%
9 Darrell Goulding 33.3%
10 Phil Bailey 27.7%
11 Amos Roberts 26.3%
12 Sean O'Loughlin 25%
13 Thomas Leuluai 19%
14 Martin Gleeson 18.1%
15 Joel Tomkins 15.7%
16 Mark Riddell 10.5%
17 Tim Smith 7.1%
18 Mike McIlorum 6.6%
19 Stuart Fielden 5.2%
20 Iafeta Paleaaesina 4.7%
21 Richard Mathers 0%
22 Mark Flanagan 0%
23 Lee Mossop 0%
24 Eamon O'Carroll 0%
25 Paul Prescott 0%
26 Andy Coley 0%
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They get worked out by the way doing tries divided by appearances to give a percentage.'"
Richards has surprised me there. I didnt realise he'd scored so many tries this season |
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It is IMO a fairer to compare backs and forwards separately but it is obviously Roberts. He is way behind the other outside backs and only TL and Smith, our half backs, have a lower strike rate (in the backs).
As the stats stand with forwards in the mix it does show he has been outscored by 3 forwards besides the all the other outside backs.
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| Quote ="Bilko"2009 Try Scoring Strike Rates
1 Shaun Ainscough 141.6%
2 Pat Richards 83.3%
3 Sam Tomkins 53.3%
4 Karl Pryce 50%
5 George Carmont 41.1%
6 Cameron Phelps 38.4%
7 Gareth Hock 35.2%
8 Harrison Hansen 33.3%
9 Darrell Goulding 33.3%
10 Phil Bailey 27.7%
11 Amos Roberts 26.3%
12 Sean O'Loughlin 25%
13 Thomas Leuluai 19%
14 Martin Gleeson 18.1%
15 Joel Tomkins 15.7%
16 Mark Riddell 10.5%
17 Tim Smith 7.1%
18 Mike McIlorum 6.6%
19 Stuart Fielden 5.2%
20 Iafeta Paleaaesina 4.7%
21 Richard Mathers 0%
22 Mark Flanagan 0%
23 Lee Mossop 0%
24 Eamon O'Carroll 0%
25 Paul Prescott 0%
26 Andy Coley 0%
Who should be doing better?
They get worked out by the way doing tries divided by appearances to give a percentage.'"
Roberts
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Leuluai
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Roberts has been nothing but a let down since he came. I have no problem with having an average winger ona low wage with a top centre inside to get them over the line even if they are an average winger but if we go spending big dosh overseas then I expect a top quality player who will have me on the edge of my seat when they get the ball. Not good enough. |
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| Quote ="W!64N_ENTHUSI45T"Richards has surprised me there. I didnt realise he'd scored so many tries this season'"
Well he's helped immensly by having a streak of 7 tries in his last 4 matches. |
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Anyone notice that the two main "culprits" are Gleeson and Roberts, both seem to be on our right side of attack, tells a story certainly.
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| Quote ="Bilko"Well he's helped immensly by having a streak of 7 tries in his last 4 matches.'"
Something you dont think about when looking at stats. I just thought about it as a try a game really.
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I'm a little surprised at J. Tomkins. Hopefully with no Hock and more of a run in the side he will improve that percentage.
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I also think it highlights how little we use our props close to the line. Something that for a couple of years now really annoy's me. We should be having our props running better line and punching the line from at least 10 yards out.
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| Quote ="Bilko"2009 Try Scoring Strike Rates
1 Shaun Ainscough 141.6%
2 Pat Richards 83.3%
3 Sam Tomkins 53.3%
4 Karl Pryce 50%
5 George Carmont 41.1%
6 Cameron Phelps 38.4%
7 Gareth Hock 35.2%
8 Harrison Hansen 33.3%
9 Darrell Goulding 33.3%
10 Phil Bailey 27.7%
11 Amos Roberts 26.3%
12 Sean O'Loughlin 25%
13 Thomas Leuluai 19%
14 Martin Gleeson 18.1%
15 Joel Tomkins 15.7%
16 Mark Riddell 10.5%
17 Tim Smith 7.1%
18 Mike McIlorum 6.6%
19 Stuart Fielden 5.2%
20 Iafeta Paleaaesina 4.7%
21 Richard Mathers 0%
22 Mark Flanagan 0%
23 Lee Mossop 0%
24 Eamon O'Carroll 0%
25 Paul Prescott 0%
26 Andy Coley 0%
Who should be doing better?
They get worked out by the way doing tries divided by appearances to give a percentage.'"
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I've always wondered why we've never used Feka 10 metres out and 10 out from the touchline, up against every centre and winger Feka's gonna be the winner. |
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| Quote ="jonh"Feka
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| Quote ="LewCharnock"Anyone notice that the two main "culprits" are Gleeson and Roberts, both seem to be on our right side of attack, tells a story certainly.'"
I think it tells more of a story than the oversimplification that "Roberts is crap". |
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To flipping right. I have grown I real dislike to the guy. I say drop him. |
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| Quote ="Cruncher"I think it tells more of a story than the oversimplification that "Roberts is crap".'"
What was his strike rate at his previous club? |
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| Quote ="MattyB"What was his strike rate at his previous club?'"
A lot higher than it is with us, put it that way. |
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Quote ="Cruncher"A lot higher than it is with us, put it that way.'"
Just checked on wikipedia:
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Amos_Roberts
2000–2003 St. George Illawarra 65 29 45%
2004 Penrith Panthers 23 23 100%
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Just checked on wikipedia:
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2000–2003 St. George Illawarra 65 29 45%
2004 Penrith Panthers 23 23 100%
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| Quote ="MattyB"What was his strike rate at his previous club?'"
His career strike rate is 56% |
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Quote ="MattyB"Just checked on wikipedia:
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Amos_Roberts
2000–2003 St. George Illawarra 65 29 45%
2004 Penrith Panthers 23 23 100%
2005–2008 Sydney Roosters 89 54 61%'"
I'd agree that Roberts so far has been disppointing.
But people expecting another Offiah were bound to be disgruntled. Even Offiah would struggle to score under Brian Noble, because our current style does not encourage 'flare and instinct' players.
I worry that some of this anti-Roberts feeling stems from the Ainscough business. I don't think that Roberts has been particularly better than Ainscough since he arrived at Wigan, though at least he goes up for the ball rather than watching it land in the attacking winger's arms (having said that, he usually then drops it so why bother?), but Roberts plays on the right and Ainscough on the left. Does that not make a difference? In my own playing days, I knew many three-quarters who favoured one particular side, and were nowhere near as effective on the other. If that's the case, then drawing comparisons between Ainscough and Roberts is a bit pointless. Surely we should be drawing them between Ainscough and Richards, which would be a 'no contest'. |
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Quote ="MattyB"Just checked on wikipedia:
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Amos_Roberts
2000–2003 St. George Illawarra 65 29 45%
2004 Penrith Panthers 23 23 100%
2005–2008 Sydney Roosters 89 54 61%'"
I'd agree that Roberts so far has been disppointing.
But people expecting another Offiah were bound to be disgruntled. Even Offiah would struggle to score under Brian Noble, because our current style does not encourage 'flare and instinct' players.
I worry that some of this anti-Roberts feeling stems from the Ainscough business. I don't think that Roberts has been particularly better than Ainscough since he arrived at Wigan, though at least he goes up for the ball rather than watching it land in the attacking winger's arms (having said that, he usually then drops it so why bother?), but Roberts plays on the right and Ainscough on the left. Does that not make a difference? In my own playing days, I knew many three-quarters who favoured one particular side, and were nowhere near as effective on the other. If that's the case, then drawing comparisons between Ainscough and Roberts is a bit pointless. Surely we should be drawing them between Ainscough and Richards, which would be a 'no contest'. | |
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| Quote ="Bilko"2009 Try Scoring Strike Rates
1 Shaun Ainscough 141.6%
2 Pat Richards 83.3%
3 Sam Tomkins 53.3%
4 Karl Pryce 50%
5 George Carmont 41.1%
6 Cameron Phelps 38.4%
7 Gareth Hock 35.2%
8 Harrison Hansen 33.3%
9 Darrell Goulding 33.3%
10 Phil Bailey 27.7%
11 Amos Roberts 26.3%
12 Sean O'Loughlin 25%
13 Thomas Leuluai 19%
14 Martin Gleeson 18.1%
15 Joel Tomkins 15.7%
16 Mark Riddell 10.5%
17 Tim Smith 7.1%
18 Mike McIlorum 6.6%
19 Stuart Fielden 5.2%
20 Iafeta Paleaaesina 4.7%
21 Richard Mathers 0%
22 Mark Flanagan 0%
23 Lee Mossop 0%
24 Eamon O'Carroll 0%
25 Paul Prescott 0%
26 Andy Coley 0%
Who should be doing better?
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| Quote ="Cruncher"I'd agree that Roberts so far has been disppointing.
But people expecting another Offiah were bound to be disgruntled. Even Offiah would struggle to score under Brian Noble, because our current style does not encourage 'flare and instinct' players.
I worry that some of this anti-Roberts feeling stems from the Ainscough business. I don't think that Roberts has been particularly better than Ainscough since he arrived at Wigan, though at least he goes up for the ball rather than watching it land in the attacking winger's arms (having said that, he usually then drops it so why bother?), but Roberts plays on the right and Ainscough on the left. Does that not make a difference? In my own playing days, I knew many three-quarters who favoured one particular side, and were nowhere near as effective on the other. If that's the case, then drawing comparisons between Ainscough and Roberts is a bit pointless. Surely we should be drawing them between Ainscough and Richards, which would be a 'no contest'.'"
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I do think that with a new caoch we may well see some of those rates improve dramatically, while others may fall slightly, but the gains will far outweight the small losses.
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| Quote ="odemwingie"Why are we signing expensive wingers if we do not need them?'"
You're asking the wrong person. But he's a Wigan player now, and I'm prepared to give him my support until such time as he categorically proves he isn't worth it.
On a not unrelated subject, he's yet another player who was very good before he came to Wigan. Perhaps that should be a bigger cause for concern. |
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| Quote ="Cruncher"You're asking the wrong person. But he's a Wigan player now, and I'm prepared to give him my support until such time as he categorically proves he isn't worth it.
On a not unrelated subject, he's yet another player who was very good before he came to Wigan. Perhaps that should be a bigger cause for concern.'"
Ethic at the club attitutde and most importantly poor conditioning in my opinion plays a major part in seeing our NRL imports fall short of what is expected.
Generally we sign athletic players, and end up with average SL bog standard athletes after an offseason in England. The new coach must bring in either an NRL conditioning coach or a top coach from outside of the game to sort this out. |
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