Kris Radlinski.

No surprises there. Not only did we lose Farrell, Radlinski, Lam, O'Connor, Pongia, Smith & Cassidy on the field, we lost them as club figureheads too.

Andy Farrell ran the show at Wigan. All the players looked up to him and he was an enforcer of type in the dressing room. When he left, a few 'players' became disruptive with what they did within the club and out of the club and dragged a few of the more easily led players with them.

Also Mike Gregory.

Aye

To save me looking on Bilko's site, was Dennis Moran around when Mike Gregory was?

He was signed when Mike was in his last year when Betts was running the team and Mike was not well

I remember Betts shouting to Moran from the touch line when we played UTC in the CC can not repeat on here what he said but he was not happy with the way he was playing

I think when Faz was around all the players had a mixture of respect and fear of him, which make him the perfect leader. I think that has been missed since he's left(not having a pop at Lockers) also with the loss of them senior players all within a year or two would have added to the downfall.

We lost to many players and coaching staff in to short a time
Mike Gregory, Dennis Betts.
Faz, Rads, O'Conner, Cassidy, Lam, Newton.

And they are just the ones off the top of my head. Oh and for all the ones who want Lam as coach he was the one that recommended we get Moran.

Lazy b*tch. Errr it's arguable whether Gregory was still pulling the strings during Betts' temporary control but it was in that spell that he signed in 2005.

ps has anyone found him yet?

I did that years ago. Can't believe you've still got it saved

To me it seems as if he's talking about a longer period than that when he talks about the culture eroding.

It's on [url=http://wigan.rlfans.com/readarticle.php?article_id=727his player page[/url on the website for all eternity.

You spelt his name wrong though

Not true. He was so embarrassing at Wigan he dropped a n in his name to try and fool clubs into thinking he was another player. Obviously only Widnes and Leigh were daft enough to be fooled.

I know that it was over the space of about 6 years that it went down hill we had no constancy in playing staff or coaching staff everything was a quick fix. This is why the club needed rebuilding from the bottom upwards and why we now need some constancy in both playing staff and coaching staff 7 to 10 years of neglect cannot be put right in 3 years. We dont need quick fixes we need the 5 year plan to get us back to where we should be.

Some of the problems probably stem for the salary cap. Don't worry I'm not going into a xBrettKennyx style rant

. We had to shed senior players quickly when the salary cap was introduced and that may have gone someway to destablising the youth/old heads balance.

Poor management of the cap was the reason for the club turning to . We had a few players earning top whack and the rest on peanuts. This is the mess IL is still trying to sort out.

It is as simple as that. Bradford suffered with the same problem. Hence why we are both mid table at present.

And yet people still complain that we don't sign big name players every season. There's clearly a fine balance to be had, and Wigan's claims that they're in the process of trying to get it right might actually be true. Perhaps we should think about that when we get peeved that massive imports sometimes go to other clubs apart from us.

I think so. It wasn't all down to a raft of players leaving over a season or two. It also didn't just happen when the SC turned up.

Dave

I don't think there is anything in common with the two situations. Bradford have had more success than us since 1998 and I am sure Rads is on about a gradual decline that started at least as far back as that.

A lot of the reactions so far in this thread seem to think what he is on about all happened fairly recently and I don't think he is at all.

Dave

id pin that on the wall of lenegans office, and nobles office. good job weve got radders on the coaching staff who could get that into most of the players.

and another thing the players who we lost were in key positions

we lost a full back, scrum half, hooker, loose, and our two best props in super league in a year!

not the players who you want to be losing!

After reading that, it's great to see Kris working for the club.

I hope he climbs the ladder and is able to make an impact on the club in time to come.