....To exclude match winner Sam Tomkins from tonights match! Nobby has made some good calls recently but i feel he made a bad mistake in tonights team selection that left the team with less attacking options from the bench..

before the match i would have said yes.

But tim smith was non existant for me tonight, the 3 repeat sets on there line we had nothing was produced.

For me tonight, we missed a sinfield who can put the massive bombs up in the air and put pressure on the defence. Kicking from dobson was the difference between the two teams.

Some of our Aussie superstars dont like the rain, I bet Sam played most of his footy in it.

I would have played him.

So he was, hindsight can't be used to slate the guy.

Riddell and Smith both didn't turn up tonight for 98% of the game.

Noble was completely wrong.

Why change a winning team?
Why bring in someone who is absolutely nowhere near full fitness?

A great reward for Sams match clinching try last week

Sam looked like he needed a rest. To me, that is Riddell at full fitness. The issue isn't his fitness, its his application on the field, he failed in that regard today.

i didnt slate him, or at least i didnt mean to. Sam looked shattered during the wakefield game, i was just meaning that smith disappointed tonight and that was a big contribution as to why we lost.

I didnt mean you fella. Was making the point generally before the witchhunt begins.

Smith threw another world class pass for lockers first try, that aside, he was poor. Was back to his own thing at times with kicks and plays that were never on.

But didnt Noble make the wrong choice of bench players..?

I totally agree, he needs to be rested now and again!! After tonight I think Hock is due a rest.... Can't risk him getting an injury!

Wrong move.

Why did Mark Riddell merit a place in the squad after the way Sam Tomkins has been playing?

No, bar Riddell, it was the same bench.

It was the wrong decision imo - the kid has played off the bench or the past few weeks, and could have done so tonight so fatigue shouldn't be an issue - if it is ease him off in training during the week.

Sam is the match winner from the bench, Riddel isnt, bad call and the result was part of that..

We will never win anything as long as Noble is in charge just swans round all the Auses.
Look at Morgan been in charge of Hull K R about the same time as Noble and look what he as achieved

No he was wrong again, team selection lost us the match.

We had no craft or composure, plenty of effort.

I think we should ask what did Roberts, Smith or Riddell do that is so good to warrant their places. They are very ordinary Australians and if you add Bailey there is not a lot there. Smith has class but last qweek was very poor and tonight didn't exist. In the first half roberts touched the ball no more than 3 times made a good tackle on Dobson but does not look for work and has no intention of trying to break the line. In the 2nd half Phelps was shattered and Roberts should have taken some of the long kick but left nearly everything to Phelps.

Riddell is doing what, Mcllorum playing great so probaly time for Noble to leave him out after all he is a young Wigan brought up player, which seems to go totally against Noble's thinking.

There is a saying if you are good enough you are old enough and these are young players i.e. Tompkins Ainscough and Mcllorum who have a reasonable amount of talent and look like they actually want to play their hearts out for Wigan. Can you say the same about the 4 I have mentioned?

It must be very disheartening for the young Wigan guys to be left out when they are the 2 leading try scorers having played less matches than the others. If Ainscough can score 17 trys why is Roberst not scoring at the same rate and what is he actually doing that keeps Ainscough out of the side, similarly with Smith/Riddell v Tompkins.

We must be very careful that they don't see the light and look to Rugby Union where these talents would be I think quite sucessful and certainly looked after better than they are now.

Yes he was wrong again, after our VERY poor start to the season we expected better, we got the same old dumb football..11.000 average from now on until he goes.

I did not see the gme tonight but not sure who you can say Sam needed a rest he did not look too fatigued scoring the match winner last week.

I did think prior to the game it was a good call but it appers Noble has selected unfit players Carmont for the second week which is unforgivable and Riddell over Tomkins and Ainscough.

This was a really, really big error by BN.

I have to say that I remain a Nobby doubter. Tonight for me was yet more evidence of why we need a change. Poor team selection, poor preparation, poor tactics.

didnt seem to have a plan 2nd half.

He scored the winner but up until that point, he hadn't done much and looked jaded to me. He got the winner and full credit to him but it masked what was some tiredness imo.



Carmont, whilst heavily strapped didn't seem to be too affected by the injury, his mistake in defence happens all to often for the leg injury to be blamed.

If you can spot Tomkins looking jaded but not see Carmont struggled last week then i have to wonder exactly what you are looking out for?!

I agree Carmont struggled last week, however tonight imo, he didnt.

If Carmont's leg was a problem, he'd struggle in the pre-match fitness tests. If you fail the tests, you probably won't play but if you struggle in the tests, I suppose you are assessed and Carmont must of passed fit, Webster's try was a copy of the Wakefield, the week before. It happens all to much if you ask me.

We don't know the reasons behind S. Tomkins not playing it could be a number of different ones, but I guess we'll never know the real reason!

Move on to Wire!

It isn't hindsight for some of us. He picked the wrong team and I was saying what team he should have picked earlier today.

Dave