Around the 62min mark today Noble went down to the bench and was talking to the subs - one of them gave him a look as if to say "bog off, I have zero respect for you" it was complete contempt! Anyone else notice?

Yes I did...as in not interested in what you say "look".

Its something we have seen a few times this year.

Coley and Feka have both had a pop when they have been subbed of late, a direct pop as well. It something that has been developing over the last 18 months in my opinion from the outide looking in the body language has been simply wong.

Even worse is now the fact that everyone of the pundits doing the rounds who has a friendship to Noble of any time always feels the need to drop in he is a great coach, its opinions like this that make us such a small sport, everyone knows everyone and few have the balls to speak there mind for fear of upsetting one of there mates or being blackballed in the RL old boys club.

I think it was Joel Tomkins.

I noticed the dirty look he gave Nobby.

Seems like things are a mess at the moment, which is reflected in the score.

Problem is we'll only know what is really happening after Noble leaves.

I found it interesting how someone on another thread said that nobody listens to him in the dressing room anymore. I don't know if thats true or how they know but it wouldn't suprise me seeing things like that.

It was Prescott I think but I wouldn't look into it too much.

On a 1 off occasion maybe not, if it is a recurring action as it seems to be then alarm bells need to ring!

He says something like "Joel, are you alright?"

Joel (who is clearly not) says something like "no"


Wigan are 14 points down at this point.



Not sure what you are trying to read into here?

Coley and Feka have directly blown up at him this season for subbing them.

The look was one of total contempt tonight. Its these kind of signals that give us looking from the outside in an idea of what is going on.

The Sam Tomkins interview on debut can be added to the evidence.

It is not the individual events that should be a worry but when you combine them then i feel it does show we are a club who are far from happy with the coaching.

Just watched it, and it was Joel actually, Prescott was sitting next to him and Joel gives Nobby the evils.

I was just wondering if anyone else had seen it or if i was just seeing things or reading too much into it. Do you see at as a sign of the players falling out with the management or just a natural reaction to the score at that stage?

The signs have been there for the last 2 years in my opinion, and i have been vocal about them on here.

Well that particular incident - I wouldn't read anything into.

Joel is clearly unhappy that he is injured (we don't know for how long yet don't forget) and Wigan are losing.


I can't comment on the other stuff as I haven't noticed it myself.

Jesus. People will cling to anything wont they.

In what way?

The fact that there are direct signs of no confidence in the coach displayed week in week out or the fact that people chose to ignore them?

Or the fact he asked Joel if he was okay, and Joel said no. There was no evil glare and no big drama.

He was probably out of it, the commentary said he had blurred vision at the time, probably didn't know who he was looking at, and probably why Noble came looking at him and asking if he's ok.

Maybe. maybe not. But combine it with the other visable signs of discontent then could it be so easily over looked?

There is no smoke without fire and i think we have seen a few direct and indirect challenges to BN from his players that show all is not well. This is of course disregarding the inept performances.

I agree with that, things are clearly not well, and sadly, i think time is up on Noble's reign.

That being said, lets stick to facts and point, there was nothing in the Tomkins thing, lets stop looking for things to beat Noble with.

How can you be so sure, its something a few people picked up on. We are never going to know the ins and outs but in conjunction with the rest of the signs i do not think it is something that can be brushed to one side in my opinion.

Im certain, because some people will look for anything to add to the list of reasons to sack Noble. That imo is leading to crazy posts like this where players with double vision / concussion are being accused of showing the underlying problem at the club by giving "evils" to the coach.

Big call.

If Noble as i am sure he did had the knowledge of his condition it is a fairly poor reaction to his status as an injured player.

Showing very little interest to the reaction.

Now i do not disagree it could be something or nothing, but if we easily dismiss the interactions we see then in my opinion we over look the best pointers to what is going on.

If we go back to Feka calling Noble out from the stand from bringing him off against Hudds i think it was, there was a thread on here and it was equally dismissed as something and nothing, but i would argue now most in hindsite would see more in it.

The Feka incident was clearly frustration at being subbed - that could point to bigger issues, or indeed just point to the fact Feka felt fine and was frustrated at being subbed. But yeah, that may point to something.

I just feel that todays incident doesn't even warrant a mention.

I doubt any look was intentional, due to this.

Firstly i think we have delt with this but fair enough, if as it seems some are certain this is the case and the lad is in such a bad state, i am sure BN would have known this at the time look at his reaction to the situation.

To clarify this i do not expect him to give the lad a hug but it is asked in a very cold way, as if he is doing it for doing its sake and he is very dismissive not waiting for any kind of response.


As i said these interactions are what i think personally hide the truth to the situation, and though easily dismissed should be looked at as an indication of potential issues that we as fans have no insite into.