Sorry I didn't post this before, as I've not been on.

Noble said this in the post match interview after the Quins match, and I quote; "I've NEVER been afraid to try out the young lads..."

WHAT??!!??

This is the man who's made a career out of picking his mates and out of date combinations that don't work! For example, the only time GB had a convincing win under him was when he was FORCED to play Leon Pryce at stand off against Australia. The following week, Pryce is back on the wing and that nobody Richard Horne is in.

This is obviously in addition to the fans screaming for the youngsters to be played, when he persists in playing overpaid, lazy Aussies.

At least be honest with us, Brian, if not with yourself.

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Whats picking Pryce on the wing for GB got to do with him playing young lads?

At Bradford he regulary played young lads. How about Moore,both Pryce brothers,Langley,Reardon,Deacon and others ive no doubt forgot.

McGuire returned

not making a convincing arguement here Neil.

Whoa... there's no need for facts to get in the way of the hobby of the hour!

I thought he brought a few through when he was at Bradford

He must have Cullens book of reasons we lost

He did bring a few through at Bradford but only the ones who were ready for it and who were good enough.

He is not the sort of coach to bring them through just for the sake of it.

Well hes not going to bring in the worse players who arent up to the job is he?

It was an hilarious comment.

O'Carroll and Prescott have been brought in gradually, if they both stay injury free and Prescott can return to full fitness these are two young props who are ready for first team action everyweek. Brian Noble has overseen the gradual input of both O'Carroll and Prescott into the first team and it's proved effective. Lets hope Sam Tomkins and Ainscough follow in the same vein.

Noble at Wigan has picked:
Joel tomkins
Eamon O'Carroll
Paul Prescott
Daryl Goulding
Shaun Ainscough
Sam Tomkins
Lee Mossop
Chris Tuson
Michael McIllorum

That is a quick list of the ones i can think of, that is quite a long list of kids considering he doesn't give youth a chance.

He sacked Moore off, drove Leon out of the club offered Reardon and Langley to Wakefield Trinity.

Deacon played second fiddle to the Pauls and Lowes, but i will give you that.

He also brought Peacock through and then forced him out of the club.

His record is chequered to say the least with regards developing youth for his club.

I think the irony is that he will of course always pick the older experienced player if there is the option to, hopefully he may have learned a thing or 2 last week.

I think the point is he only plays em when forced through injuries and not on merit. If Phelps and Richards were not injured v cas do you think ainscough would have got a chance?

You are stretching reality. Mossop and Tuson? 1 game when injuries gave him no choice. Joel Tomkins brought through by Millward. Only given a chance by Noble when he had no choice. O'Carrol and Prescott deemed not good enough by Noble who tried everything to sign a prop. goulding brough through by Millward, dropped umpteen times by Noble. Sam Tomkins and Shaun Ainscough only selected when Noble had little choice.

Probably not, but that is the situation we found ourselves in. Ainscough has got his chance and he's been great so far. He cannot be left out for the match Vs Bradford.

I think Noble is giving the young lads a chance he just doesnt want to have to rely on them weekly and put that pressure on them of having to maintain a level of performance. I think this is were we went wrong with Kev Brown, following the examples of Roby, Graham, Clough and Eastmond at Saints with Tomkins, Mossop, McIlloram and maybe Goulding might be put back down a step and introduce them slowly easing them into regular first team spots.

Kevin Brown is a successful first grade player with Huddersfield. James Roby, James Graham and Clough are weekly selections for St Helens, selected younger than when Noble gives a oung player the odd game. Eastmond has to displace Long. Wigan look a far better team for having young players in the first team.

What cack. Noble clearly does give young players a chance.

J Tomkins
Goulding
Prescott
S Tomkins
Ainscough
O Carroll

Which is practically half a team. This plus a mixture of imports and regular first team regulars (Hock, Lockers etc) is a level balance.

Come on Nobby haters let it drop.

McGuire returned, who at the time was far inferior to Pryce, as both results and performance proved beyond any doubt whatsoever. McGuire also did not gel with Sean Long, whereas Pryce had a world class combination going with Long.

So, yes, my argument is very convincing.

I don't hate Noble. I think he's great motivationally, but rubbish tactically.

In any case, when the above players came through, what alternative did we have?

J Tomkins - Picked because O'Loughlin was injured last year.
Goulding - Bit of an iffy one - was already gettin first team games when nobby was here
Prescott - He's 23!!
S Tomkins - Picked because Micky Mac was banned
Ainscough - Picked because Phelps is injured and Mathers was banned, lets face it if mathers only got one match ban we wouldnt have seen ainscough yet.
O'Carroll - Ill give you that one O'Carroll has come on leaps and bounds since nobby came.

Joel Tomkins brought through by Millward. Only given a chance by Noble when he had no choice.

O'Carrol and Prescott deemed not good enough by Noble who tried everything to sign a prop.

Goulding brought through by Millward, dropped umpteen times by Noble.

Sam Tomkins and Shaun Ainscough only selected when Noble had little choice.

J Tomkins, S Tomkins and Ainscough only got a chance due to there being no other options.

Goulding is being given a chance and fair play, sadly he does not seem to be taking it, but i would put him in the bracket with Prescott as already being given a chance prior to the arrival of Noble, which i think O'Carroll was also.

Very few lads have been given a chance by Noble, and when they have been it has been when his hand has been forced, which if you are a top team performing well is often the way, but if you are a team performing as poorly as we have for the last 2 years is a different matter.

on that point, i've been meaning to scan in an article from RL world rag from last year where they did a bit piece on noble, along with a small section on the bit highlighted "i'm a big believer of giving youth a chance"

Thought it might make interesting reading for you kids.