Can someone answer me a question:

How long have you been able to run behind your own oncoming runner and it not be crossing.

1 tackle before whites drop goal this is exactly what the Widnes player does.

Al;so, the first widnes try looked completely like a knock on to me,

Not sour grapes, just seen the highlightes for the 1st time

Infact: www.wiganwarriors.com/WContent.a ... &type=news Check it out for yourselves and tell me im wrong.

Infact: www.wiganwarriors.com/WContent.a ... &type=news Check it out for yourselves and tell me im wrong.

I'm not sure that the first one is a knock on, but I have seen similar given as a knock on many many times.

As for the obstruction before the drop goal, how that wasn't given as an obstruction is beyond me.

We had an obstruction given against us for far less during the game.

The first try is a knock on without question. He trys to drag the ball in to him a few times facing his own line so no doubt in my mind.

The worst of the lot though was the last try though. It won't show up on any highlights but he dropped it short of the line. I was sat dead inline with it and probably had the best few in the house of it bar the milky bar kid (the ingoal judge who was about 12) and he nailed on lost it.

Said previously though swings and roundabouts and we'll get those back later in the year and hopefully against teams around us in the league.

What I can answer is that some of that defence was shocking !

Widnes had a penalty advantage anyway when the drop goal was struck

Did they really? If they did it seems strange that the referee wouldnt have given the penalty, and an easy 2 points, as opposed to 1 for a drop goal.

What for?

Logan Tomkins and Mellor need to bulk up considerably before they play SL regularly. When he was warming up at the Catalans game my mate asked me if Joe Mellor was on work experience.

agree with that.

i only saw 1 try...and the Widnes player strolled through logan like he wasnt there..and logan sort of waved his arms about.
i can only guess at the other Widnes tries......but it seems reasonable to assume micky mac was on the sidelines when some were scored?

All that video highlights is how shocking our defence was. Going high, flapping around the chest, not sliding, not coming up in a line... Very poor, lack of onfield leadership which isnt a suprise given the situation.

When Sam first broke in to the team I remember being quite surprised that he was always quoted around the 13 stone mark. If Mellor's stats are to be believed then he is under 12 stone which is far too light for a SL stand-off.

after watching the highlights it was more a poor performance by the team rather than the young lads

1st try Widnes score was poor defence from Finch and Charnley both shirt grabbing

2nd try - Hughes got caught in a poor defensive positing and was stood to squaer on

3rd try - Good ball, good line, good try

4th try - Poor goal line defence, never got set and could of got a bus through the gap

5th try - Was either an amazing pass or a very lucky one but we seemed way to condensed on the goal line they had a 2 man overlap

6th try - Really bad defence close to our goal line something we normally pride ourselves on and was Hansen who is one of our better defenders

After watching the highlight and without the emotion of being there i have actually changed my view that it wasnt the "kids" that lost us that game i think it was more attitude and effort. Going 18-0 up in the second half probably did more bad than good as we thought the game was over and to the credit of Widnes all through the game they just kept completing sets getting to kicks and defending well.

Bloody hell, they're only lads. They'll only start to bulk up when they're 20 onwards.

Sam Tomkins was a right snappy little get when he first broke into the side, wasn't he?

If you think with a full side out we would have squandered an 18 point lead and more to the point let a side like Widnes score 37 I will have some of what you are on please. You don't go from the [ubest defence[/u in the league to conceding 37 against the [uworst attack[/u in the league unless there is something radically different and there was - the Wigan team that took the pitch.

We did it in 2010 at home to Harlequins.

at least 3 Widnes tries came from errors by "senior" players though. Their first two tries came down a left hand side of Hock, Finch, Hughes and Charnley. With a full squad playing we may have played better but if you make errors like we did or near our try line you will concede points no matter who you play.

Its easy to just say a side like Widnes but on Sunday Widnes completed most their sets, made few errors, had a far better kicking game than us and they made us pay for our mistakes where we didnt punish theirs

That 5th try was the one where Goulding was still unconscious down field and had been for the whole of the six tackles. The game should have been stopped as it was a head injury.
I'm amazed it hasn't been mentioned at all in any of the commentaries/video I have seen.

It was Hansen who clashed heads with Goulding so he was still a little dazed and should probably have been subbed but we were had no one to replace him with.

It's at times like this when you realise how crucial the likes of Mickey Mac (he went off when we were 18 points up), Hansen and Lockers are.

At the time Hansen got up and jogged back to try and defend and never looked right all way back.

I came out the game very angry with Wane but watching the tries again without emotions of being there its not as simple as the kids lost us the game. Errors cost us the game and even when Widnes made errors we either knocked on or there was the one occasion where Finch tried an impossible off load when we were on the Widnes goal line.

Mellor's 22 now.

Don't know where they got the 13 stone from. I weighed around 12.5 at the time and was stood next to Sam. I'd say he was a good stone lighter than me.

If i remeber rightly it was a tackle off the ball but it was definatly an advantage

I'm doubting Sam weighed 11.5 stone during his pro career, that would have made him bordering on anorexic before he did any weight training for rugby!

Muscle is heavier than fat. Sam would have had more than you.