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| After Leeds beat us quite comfortably last week, does anybody know if we're likely to have any forwards back for this weekend? I think our back line can cope with one or two injuries but we need to be more competitive in the forwards to give Leeds more of a game. Whilst the likes of Pettybourne and Flower might lack match fitness, I'd like to see them play if available. Lockers is the big one though, I really hope he's fit!
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| A report on the WEP site said Pettybourne, Farrell and Lockers are 'close' to returning but it didn't say if close meant this week.
We could certainly do with those three on Saturday.
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| I don't rate our chances for this one. Leeds are tough enough when we are at full strength. I do think Wane will have them up for it though.
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| I think it will take something special for us to beat a very in-form Leeds side with the amount of players we have out
It would be a difficult task with everyone fit
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| Quote ="[Gareth"I think it will take something special for us to beat a very in-form Leeds side with the amount of players we have out
It would be a difficult task with everyone fit'"
If we play like we did on Friday - we'll come pretty close.
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| Quote ="Aboveusonlypie"If we play like we did on Friday - we'll come pretty close.'"
Leeds won't play anywhere near as terribly as Hull though.
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| Quote ="Wigg'n"Leeds won't play anywhere near as terribly as Hull though.'"
Were Hull bad or were we good?
I think that we never get any credit were it's due, even from our own fans. Before the game I thought this was 50/50 and afterwards was really proud of the way our lads played.
SW said it was the best performance of the season - and I agree.
Maybe Leeds won't be as bad as Hull, but they lost to Saints second string, so why couldn't we beat them?
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| Hopefully Bowen, Farrell, Flower, Pettybourne and, most importantly, Lockers are all back for Saturday. Charnley would be a bonus but it's probably more of a risk to throw him straight back in against Leeds. We need to match them in the forwards, and with Clubb and Sutton now missing I think we're going to need at least 3 of the forwards mentioned above back to have any chance of that.
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| Quote ="Aboveusonlypie"Were Hull bad or were we good?
I think that we never get any credit were it's due, even from our own fans. Before the game I thought this was 50/50 and afterwards was really proud of the way our lads played.
SW said it was the best performance of the season - and I agree.
Maybe Leeds won't be as bad as Hull, but they lost to Saints second string, so why couldn't we beat them?'"
Going off the 15 min highlights on Wigan TV it was a combination of both. We were good, especially considering the players we had out but Hull were also awful. Some of their defending was inexcusable. I think we have enough to give them a game but I don't think we'll win.
It's been said there are a few on the brink of returning. I hope we aren't bringing anyone back too early and risking further injury. At this stage of the season I'd rather play the kids and ensure we have as many fit as possible for the cup.
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| We do need as many forwards back as we can get.
A couple of things may help our cause though.
We can avoid kicking to Ryan Hall on the 6th tackle. He's one of the best kick returners in SL, so why on earth kick in his direction?
At Headingly we got the one penalty awarded to us in the whole game, as Leeds are away from home the refs won't be under the same pressure not to penalise their infringements.
The press conf tomorrow I presume, so SW may give some indication of who's playing and who isn't.
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| Quote ="Father Ted"We do need as many forwards back as we can get.
A couple of things may help our cause though.
We can avoid kicking to Ryan Hall on the 6th tackle. He's one of the best kick returners in SL, so why on earth kick in his direction?
At Headingly we got the one penalty awarded to us in the whole game, as Leeds are away from home the refs won't be under the same pressure not to penalise their infringements.
The press conf tomorrow I presume, so SW may give some indication of who's playing and who isn't.'"
Two good points there about-
a) why were we so insistent on going to Hall? You can say if not Hall then who I suppose as their backline is threatening all over but Hall is error free. Get it to Briscoe who comes up with a few errors and can be physically dominated more easily. The main thing to remember though regardless of who we kick to is to kick well! The bombs we put up at Headingley were terrible! No height or direction to them.
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b) The chances of getting penalties at the Etihad in comparison to Headingley are much improved. It's embarrassing how much Leeds get away with at home with the South Stand along with Peacock and Sir Kev reffing most games. We need to keep our discipline and pressure their defence with quicker play the balls.
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| That's really funny NK
Of course the southstand dominate the refs and they are too scared to give away teams any penalties.
Unlike your own players who take their opponents heads off and get hefty bans, oh wait a minute!!
Come off it I do believe you have got your fair share of dodgy decisions from referee's over the years be it on your own ground or in cup games.
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| It's testament to our side and squad depth that with all of the injuries we could possibly line up like:
1. Sarginson 2. Manfredi 3. Goulding 4. Gelling 5. Burgess 6. Green 7. Smith 8. Taylor 9. Williams 10. Dudson 11. Hughes 12. Bateman 13. McIlorum Subs 14. James 15. Crosby 16. C. Farrell 17. Powell. We may not win the game but we will be very competitive which is all we can ask for at the minute
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| Quote ="NickyKiss"Two good points there about-
a) why were we so insistent on going to Hall? You can say if not Hall then who I suppose as their backline is threatening all over but Hall is error free. Get it to Briscoe who comes up with a few errors and can be physically dominated more easily. The main thing to remember though regardless of who we kick to is to kick well! The bombs we put up at Headingley were terrible! No height or direction to them.
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b) The chances of getting penalties at the Etihad in comparison to Headingley are much improved. It's embarrassing how much Leeds get away with at home with the South Stand along with Peacock and Sir Kev reffing most games. We need to keep our discipline and pressure their defence with quicker play the balls.'"
Second part is absolutely laughable given some of the decisions you've got over the last few years
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| Quote ="Newton-Le-willows-Warrior"It's testament to our side and squad depth that with all of the injuries we could possibly line up like:
1. Sarginson 2. Manfredi 3. Goulding 4. Gelling 5. Burgess 6. Green 7. Smith 8. Taylor 9. Williams 10. Dudson 11. Hughes 12. Bateman 13. McIlorum Subs 14. James 15. Crosby 16. C. Farrell 17. Powell. We may not win the game but we will be very competitive which is all we can ask for at the minute'"
Indeed and victories aren't the be all and end all at the moment.
The experience some of those lads are gaining is invaluable.
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| We are really down to the bare bones. From the sky sports app
Liam Farrell, Matty Bowen, Josh Charnley, Iain Thornley, Ben Flower, Eddie Pettybourne and Ryan Hampshire, who all missed last Friday's 44-16 win at Hull, are unlikely to return and they have been joined on the injury list by Tony Club, who will be out for four to five weeks with a knee injury, and Ryan Sutton, who was concussed at the KC Stadium.
This is from an interview where SOL is expressing his frustration that he won't be fit either.
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| I wonder if we would've recalled Logan Tomkins by now if his loan hadn't been extended?
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| Quote ="Wigg'n"I wonder if we would've recalled Logan Tomkins by now if his loan hadn't been extended?'"
Still nowhere to really fit him in though. I'd be more inclined to try and get Greenwood back from the Broncos.
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| Lockers is out according to Sky Sports
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| Quote ="Eastbourne Warrior"We are really down to the bare bones. From the sky sports app
Liam Farrell, Matty Bowen, Josh Charnley, Iain Thornley, Ben Flower, Eddie Pettybourne and Ryan Hampshire, who all missed last Friday's 44-16 win at Hull, are unlikely to return and they have been joined on the injury list by Tony Club, who will be out for four to five weeks with a knee injury, and Ryan Sutton, who was concussed at the KC Stadium.
This is from an interview where SOL is expressing his frustration that he won't be fit either.'"
Hopefully it's incorrect but if not our line up must surely feature a debutant or two.
Something like-
Sarginson
Manfredi
Goulding
Gelling
Burgess
Green
Smith
Taylor
Williams
Dudson
Bateman
Hughes
McIlorum
Subs
James
Crosby
C Farrell
Powell
Still a fair side and an exciting team to watch. I wouldn't be surprised to see somebody like Sam Powell pack down at 13. He's a tough lad and wouldn't let us down.
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| Quote ="Eastbourne Warrior"We are really down to the bare bones. From the sky sports app
Liam Farrell, Matty Bowen, Josh Charnley, Iain Thornley, Ben Flower, Eddie Pettybourne and Ryan Hampshire, who all missed last Friday's 44-16 win at Hull, are unlikely to return and they have been joined on the injury list by Tony Club, who will be out for four to five weeks with a knee injury, and Ryan Sutton, who was concussed at the KC Stadium.
This is from an interview where SOL is expressing his frustration that he won't be fit either.'"
Bloody hell! I'd go:
FB 23 Sarginson (I'm not confident in him defensively but he can always swap with Budgie if he's having a mare)
RW 31 Manfredi
RC 3 Goulding
LC 5 Gelling
LW 32 Burgess
SO 6 Green
SH 7 Smith
P 8 Taylor
H 27 Williams
P 16 Dudson
SR 25 Bateman
SR 14 Hughes
LF 9 McIlorum (think he finished the Hull game at loose)
S 17 Crosby
S 19 Powell
S 28 James
S 36 C.Farrell (not ideal giving him a debut v Leeds but we don't have many options)
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| A stronger team than what we will have this weekend got torn apart by Leeds a couple of weeks ago, it could be worse this time around. I just hope we are competitive. One things for sure the fans need to do their part on Saturday.
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| Quote ="ciaran95"A stronger team than what we will have this weekend got torn apart by Leeds a couple of weeks ago, it could be worse this time around. I just hope we are competitive. One things for sure the fans need to do their part on Saturday.'"
How do you define"torn apart"? It was hardly 75-0
Add to that - we only got one penalty at Leeds. On a neutral ground the ref won't be swayed by home support. Yes, we may well lose the game (which in the context of the season is pretty meaningless) but we will be competetive, no danger of that not being the case.
We have never been torn apart by anyone in the past 5 seasons. And after Friday's performance there will be lots of confidence from those young lads. Keep the faith!
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| Quote ="Grimmy"Bloody hell! I'd go:
FB 23 Sarginson (I'm not confident in him defensively but he can always swap with Budgie if he's having a mare)
RW 31 Manfredi
RC 3 Goulding
LC 5 Gelling
LW 32 Burgess
SO 6 Green
SH 7 Smith
P 8 Taylor
H 27 Williams
P 16 Dudson
SR 25 Bateman
SR 14 Hughes
LF 9 McIlorum (think he finished the Hull game at loose)
S 17 Crosby
S 19 Powell
S 28 James
S 36 C.Farrell (not ideal giving him a debut v Leeds but we don't have many options)'"
I would go with that too. Really excited to see how our young lads do and it is a testament to our club that we can field such a competitive side with 10 players missing. Saints kids did it earlier on this year...
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| Quote ="Grimmy"Bloody hell! I'd go:
FB 23 Sarginson (I'm not confident in him defensively but he can always swap with Budgie if he's having a mare)
RW 31 Manfredi
RC 3 Goulding
LC 5 Gelling
LW 32 Burgess
SO 6 Green
SH 7 Smith
P 8 Taylor
H 27 Williams
P 16 Dudson
SR 25 Bateman
SR 14 Hughes
LF 9 McIlorum (think he finished the Hull game at loose)
S 17 Crosby
S 19 Powell
S 28 James
S 36 C.Farrell (not ideal giving him a debut v Leeds but we don't have many options)'"
Looks like a C Farrell or Rob Lever are going to have to make their debut to cover SR.
LF is an interesting one with Lockers, Clubb, Flower and Faz all major doubts. McIlorum could go there as suggested to keep some creativity, Bateman could go there but that would mean one of the young SR debutants would have to start and play big minutes against Leeds' pack. An alternative could be to use Crosby there as a 3rd prop and have Ben Austin on the bench. We'd lose the pivot from LF but would be solid defensively. I imagine SWs having a few headaches this week!
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