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| Personally for the next game I would go with Charnley over Roberts, why? He's a better player who offers more effort and desire that Roberts.
To boot (no pun intended) he's a good goal kicker-this is an attribute which potentially could have won us the game tonight.
I'm feed up with Roberts, he's an import which offers next to nothing. 9 good games in 3 seasons for me, isn't good enough for our team.
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| Time to go with Charnley imo. He had a poor game against Wire but so what, most players did. He's the future of our backline, we need to stick with him and show some faith I think. Roberts is wasted on us currently, offers nothing and is hindering Charnley's development
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| Quote ="Bill Sonny"Time to go with Charnley imo. He had a poor game against Wire but so what, most players did. He's the future of our backline, we need to stick with him and show some faith I think. Roberts is wasted on us currently, offers nothing and is hindering Charnley's development'"
Agreed. So disappointed with Roberts. Personally I'd drop him or if we must play him at FB. I'd sooner see him dropped and played in the reserves at FB until he can offer something to the first team.
Been a poor winger from day 1.
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| Charnley without doubt. Roberts isn't up to playing for the first team.
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| Quote ="Last Son of Wigan"Personally for the next game I would go with Charnley over Roberts, why? He's a better player who offers more effort and desire that Roberts.
To boot (no pun intended) he's a good goal kicker-this is an attribute which potentially could have won us the game tonight.
I'm feed up with Roberts, he's an import which offers next to nothing. 9 good games in 3 seasons for me, isn't good enough for our team.'"
No more games on the wing for Roberts for me, hes been ripped to pieces every time he plays there and offers nothing currently. More importantly Sam needs to move to 6, id be willing to shift the team around to accomodate this, so id consider sticking Roberts at fullback as i still think he deserves a proper chance at fullback.
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| Quote ="shambawangy"No more games on the wing for Roberts for me, hes been ripped to pieces every time he plays there and offers nothing currently. More importantly Sam needs to move to 6, id be willing to shift the team around to accomodate this, so id consider sticking Roberts at fullback as i still think he deserves a proper chance at fullback.'"
I've been a fan of Sam at 1 but we've got nothing going on in the halves. So much chopping and changing. Tonight we looked like a team with no direction from the halves.
Personally the man we need is Deacon. We look 100 times better when he's on.
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| Don't we have Roberts for another season after this? Someone needs to make a tough decision as the guy isn't contributing and he must be on a big salary.
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| Quote ="Finfin"Don't we have Roberts for another season after this? Someone needs to make a tough decision as the guy isn't contributing and he must be on a big salary.'"
Not sure, I think he came on a 3yr deal which means this is his last.
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| Charnley, he may make some mistakes, but as least he's learning for the future.
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| When Pat is back I think it won't be a case of Robert or Charnley, but Goulding moving back to the right wing.
Played well tonight considering he didn't get any decent ball all night. Will be interested to see the stats as he did a lot of hard work up the middle making useful yards.
Took his try extremely well too.
<Karl Pryce mode on> If Karl Pryce took that pass he doesn't score < / Karl Pryce mode>
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| Roberts all day
With game time he will come good.
He will only do so playing at 1 though and on top of that, Sam needs to be back at 6.
Anyway, Roberts for me
Charnley will cone through in time
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| Quote ="Last Son of Wigan"Not sure, I think he came on a 3yr deal which means this is his last.'"
He signed a 3 yr but arrived a year early which effectively made it 4. Expires 2012.
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| I'd be very surprised if Roberts manages to get back to the form he showed before his ankle injury. Of all the injuries in RL the Achilles is among the worst to fall victim to. Paul Newlove was never the same player after he damaged his. He lost much of his lateral movement (sidestep, swerve etc.) - which was problematic because almost all of his attacking game was a product of lateral movement.
I hope it works out for Roberts, but I suspect you may have seen the best of him.
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| Quote ="Mugwump"I'd be very surprised if Roberts manages to get back to the form he showed before his ankle injury. Of all the injuries in RL the Achilles is among the worst to fall victim to. Paul Newlove was never the same player after he damaged his. He lost much of his lateral movement (sidestep, swerve etc.) - which was problematic because almost all of his attacking game was a product of lateral movement.
I hope it works out for Roberts, but I suspect you may have seen the best of him.'"
I agree, why we persist to play a winger who consistently doesn't perform is beyond me. Furthermore he barely seems interested.
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| Quote ="Mugwump"I'd be very surprised if Roberts manages to get back to the form he showed before his ankle injury. Of all the injuries in RL the Achilles is among the worst to fall victim to. Paul Newlove was never the same player after he damaged his. He lost much of his lateral movement (sidestep, swerve etc.) - which was problematic because almost all of his attacking game was a product of lateral movement.
I hope it works out for Roberts, but I suspect you may have seen the best of him.'"
Nowt to do with his ankle or Achilles. Was a knee injury.
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| Think we should try and get rid personally. He was out of position sooo many times tonight it was unbelievable. Looks like he'll never get his form back.
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| Quote ="19 Leagues"Think we should try and get rid personally. He was out of position sooo many times tonight it was unbelievable. Looks like he'll never get his form back.'"
Realistically how many good games as he had on the wing? Not many at all. all of his best game were as a FB.
Get rid of him, Pryce and Gleeson making room on the cap for a top centre.
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| Quote ="19 Leagues"Think we should try and get rid personally. He was out of position sooo many times tonight it was unbelievable. Looks like he'll never get his form back.'"
But how do we get rid?
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| Quote ="Finfin"But how do we get rid?'"
Sadly that is the issue. I think Robert should be dropped to the reserves to work on his catching as a FB. Then when he finds his feet possibly move him up to the first team.
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| Quote ="loobyfromorrell"Nowt to do with his ankle or Achilles. Was a knee injury.'"
[url=http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/rugby_league/super_league/wigan/9055183.stmHuh?[/url
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| Quote ="Mugwump"[url=http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/rugby_league/super_league/wigan/9055183.stmHuh?[/url'"
That's Pat Richards
Not Amos Roberts...
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| Quote ="Mugwump"[url=http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/rugby_league/super_league/wigan/9055183.stmHuh?[/url'"
You said Roberts in your op?
Can't still believe some want Roberts at FB? He's half the player Sam is there as simply he's a good broken field runner and that's it.
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| Roberts attitude tonight was terrible but like i've said in the Cats team thread I wouldn't drop him i'd actually give him more responsibility and put him in at fullback. If I were Maguire i'd leave him in no uncertain terms that he's got a run of 5 games or so to make a go of things or else his career here would be under threat.
We can't afford to carry high earning passengers especially a passenger that we've seen can be awesome when he's in form and his attitude is right. He's obviously lacking confidence but that shouldn't mean he doesn't do his work running the ball out of his end of the field. He hardly took a ball in all night and left Sam to try and take any high kicks that came to his wing.
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| Quote ="NickyKiss"Roberts attitude tonight was terrible but like i've said in the Cats team thread I wouldn't drop him i'd actually give him more responsibility and put him in at fullback. If I were Maguire i'd leave him in no uncertain terms that he's got a run of 5 games or so to make a go of things or else his career here would be under threat.
We can't afford to carry high earning passengers especially a passenger that we've seen can be awesome when he's in form and his attitude is right. He's obviously lacking confidence but that shouldn't mean he doesn't do his work running the ball out of his end of the field. He hardly took a ball in all night and left Sam to try and take any high kicks that came to his wing.
'MUCH' more needed.'"
Why does Roberts deserve special treatment? He shows no willing, plays poorly ands in your opinion should be awarded with more responsibility as a FB? Why? He doesn't deserve it. Charnley was dropped for far less, at least his attitude is spot on.
Keep Sam at 1 for now, we're clearly missing Deacon. Play people who deserve it.
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| Quote ="Last Son of Wigan"Why does Roberts deserve special treatment? He shows no willing, plays poorly ands in your opinion should be awarded with more responsibility as a FB? Why? He doesn't deserve it. Charnley was dropped for far less, at least his attitude is spot on.
Keep Sam at 1 for now, we're clearly missing Deacon. Play people who deserve it.'"
I think the reason i'd give him a shot at 1 is because I think we need to get Sam back in at 6 and we have few other options in the fullback position. I wouldn't call giving the guy a make or break last chance special treatment because if it doesn't work out and he doesn't show anymore willing i'd drop the guy like a sack of s*it.
I agree we've missed Deacon because as limited as his game seems nowadays he plays a very important if simple role on our side. He keeps the ball moving and lets guys like Sam and Leuluai play their natural games.
Not bagging Finch here and he obviously needs time but he's so far off the pace at the moment it's dangerous. He looks like if he doesn't get himself killed then his crazy short balls will get somebody else in serious trouble.
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