Really should have beaten the weakend huddersfield team, it sounds like we are missing a creative half by the sounds of it on the radio. When hock makes a break we really should have support runners did we lack the win at all cost attitude?


no one should be saying its not how you start but how you finish.

A brilliant start for me. Can we have something similar next week please?

As Charlie Drake used to say , "Still na mind eh ".

Awful...just awful..

Never mind, there's always next season.

Not half.

Giants had

4 debutants

6 under 21

18 uk players in the 19.


I think shaun wane will have to come up with better tactics or he may not be long in the job!

Lovely jubbly.

It was pi$$ poor. Kicking game defied belief it was that bad, forwards were disappointing and Huddersfield clearly wanted it more, hats off to them.

Kicking game was appalling. Handling was terrible. No invention or even anything resembling an idea in attack. Silly mistakes defensively.

Huddersfield should have been easily beaten with that side but Wigan were completely lacking any ideas.

It's only one game, so there's no reason to get carried away, but there are an awful lot of reasons to be very concerned.

Huddersfield ruined the game. And fair play to them, why wouldnt you when the refs letting you get away with murder? Really poor game to watch, slow slow slow.

Wigan showed promise in the passing moves which cut hudds open a few times but its shame it was a rare sight.

crap game, crap result, crap ref.

Result is unimportant. Performance is.

That's a little unfair, there were some lovely moves set up that the 3/4 bombed. They were very quick out of the line to Sam as well a couple of times to stop him passing it on.

Agree with that. We got into good positions but didn't have the creativity to take advantage. Hudds had Sam under wraps for most of the game. I think he should be looking to move into the halves to take more control of the game.

I said immediately after the Salford friendly that the 1st team needed another warm up game before the season started and should have played against Leigh. They looked clueless in attack. I've read a lot about this attacking rugby we're supposed to be seeing this year but seen little evidence of it. One of Mellor, Powell or Logan need to start getting some game time now, shuffling everyone round to spell McIlorum DOESNT WORK, we've seen it so many times.

Time to ditch Mcillorum. He simply isn't Wigan standard.

He was world class for the first 40. I've not seen them but I'm guessing you'll be blown away by his stats. Problem is he's a very different hooker to Tommy, the key is to make the most of them both in that position and to tactically manage them appropriately.

To do that though we need another half back. Maybe get Sam back in there and start Russ at FB - but I'll guarantee they'll start Mellor there first

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From what I saw the moves were fairly basic. A dummy runner or two, a link between the halves looking for Tomkins. The moves weren't executed well enough to create an overlap so when the ball went out to the outside backs there wasn't much they could do because there wasn't much space.

Sorry but I stopped reading after you said McIlorum was 'World Class' he will never be world class, never. Today wasnt his worst game but that is the biggest overstatement I have ever read on these boards.

I think as the game progressed we started to show what we could do & if it had gone on any longer we would have won. Someone hit the nail on the head saying we needed another pre season game after the Salford match.

Standouts for me were, Mossop (he was outstanding for me but he always seems to get injured), and Lima. No-one else really stood out to be honest.

We simply need to play Leuluai at hooker and chuck a youngster in at the deep end, its now or never really, Leuluai cant kick but is world class from dummy half. Wasnt really impressed with the two debutants Lauaki and Flower.

The difference today was simply Danny Broughs kicking game.

It's been a worrying couple of matches with us looking to have more questions then answers but hopefully we'll sort it.

I remember sitting at Cardiff 12 months back watching last seasons league leaders get walloped against Huddersfield and Wire were terrible that day. That goes to show it can be turned round but I think they'll need to change the side a little.

McIlorum was very poor. I've rarely seen a hooker who has so little influence in attack. It seems his only trick is the less than inspiring dummy and run, which gets a few metres but seems to be used when a pass would be the better option.

We looked better in attack with Leuluai at hooker and also with O'Loughlin at stand off. Leuluai didn't link well with Finch at all, possibly because his passing game isn't consistently strong (he does put some good passes in though). With two good passers down the middle we looked stronger.

True, but I think a lot of credit goes to the Giants defence, especially out wide. One noticeable lack was that the second rows weren't sucking in the opposition centres as Hoffman, in particular, used to do, so the coverage was always man-on-man outside. I'd have expected Hock to succeed in that role, but apart from the one late break, and one earlier by Faz, it never worked.

Anyone else worried about the fitness of the players this year? Wane wanted them bulked up but a couple looked unfit to me.