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Quote ="Grimmy"You can not judge whether a pass was forward in terms of meters or where the passer was when he threw the ball.'"
Aye. I don't see that there's any excuse for people not understanding this, we were taught about momentum prior to GCSE level Physics in school and I doubt my school was out of the ordinary in this.
I don't understand what the big deal is. Drive in a car at 2mph and throw a tennis ball up in the air and catch it again, the ball travels forward in relation to the ground at the same speed as you are moving. If at 10mph you throw it (gently) to someone in the back seat, the ball has gone backwards relative to you, but forward in relation to the ground. Simples. And, as you say, it means you simply cannot use the markings on the ground as an indicative guide, the only way you can really gauge the momentum of the ball relative to the player is to see where the player and ball are at in relation to each other at all times. (This, of course, is still open to 'cheating', as the bloke who threw the pass could deliberately speed up, hence why the referees look at the hands of the player passing the ball, as it's the only practical way they have of determining it from 'ground level')
I like the sound of this, though: m.dailytelegraph.com.au/sport/nr ... 6108565226
Seems like they plan to do live vector calculations to determine if the ball is propelled forward or backward. |
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Quote ="Grimmy"You can not judge whether a pass was forward in terms of meters or where the passer was when he threw the ball.'"
Aye. I don't see that there's any excuse for people not understanding this, we were taught about momentum prior to GCSE level Physics in school and I doubt my school was out of the ordinary in this.
I don't understand what the big deal is. Drive in a car at 2mph and throw a tennis ball up in the air and catch it again, the ball travels forward in relation to the ground at the same speed as you are moving. If at 10mph you throw it (gently) to someone in the back seat, the ball has gone backwards relative to you, but forward in relation to the ground. Simples. And, as you say, it means you simply cannot use the markings on the ground as an indicative guide, the only way you can really gauge the momentum of the ball relative to the player is to see where the player and ball are at in relation to each other at all times. (This, of course, is still open to 'cheating', as the bloke who threw the pass could deliberately speed up, hence why the referees look at the hands of the player passing the ball, as it's the only practical way they have of determining it from 'ground level')
I like the sound of this, though: m.dailytelegraph.com.au/sport/nr ... 6108565226
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| Quote ="WARRIORCRAIG"I think you're joking but just in case...
Try running at full pelt and throwing a ball backwards "in relation to the ground," think you'll then see why this is a very silly idea. We'd have to have netball-style passing where you have to plant your feet!
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| Quote ="1905"icon_biggrin.gifOH:
Well done for killing the game. That's the worst idea ever, end of. BTW the pass wasn't forward.'"
Even mozzer said the try was forward on BBC radio manchester tonight. |
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| Quote ="fleabag"Even mozzer said the try was forward on BBC radio manchester tonight.'"
And! WTF does he know? Who is this mozzer of which you speak?
Quote ="fleabag"said the try was forward'"
And rightly so. If one was to not score a try forward, then it would be a backwards try, or as it is otherwise known [i'ball grounded in the in goal area resulting in an extra set of six which eventually results in you losing the game.'[/i
I'd stick with the forward try thingy, but perhaps that's just me.  |
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| Quote ="Thelonius"I'm Sorry, but as has been explained pretty clearly earlier in this thread, this has nothing to do with whether or not a pass is forward.
Imagine Usain Bolt was a rugby player and when running flat out covers 10m every second. On the 20m line he passes the ball to Yohan Blake inside him and the ball travels backwards at 1m per second compared to Bolt (a perfectly legitimate pass). The ball is still travelling forwards over the ground at 9m per second, so if the ball is in the air for half a second before Blake catches it, he will receive the ball 4.5m in front of where Bolt passed the ball.'"
That’s a Gold medal answer,  but wouldn’t they break the salary cap? (I can't check your maths though, the baby pulled all the beads off mi abacus) |
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| Quote ="1905"And! WTF does he know?[u Who is this mozzer of which you speak? [/u
And rightly so. If one was to not score a try forward, then it would be a backwards try, or as it is otherwise known [i'ball grounded in the in goal area resulting in an extra set of six which eventually results in you losing the game.'[/i
I'd stick with the forward try thingy, but perhaps that's just me.
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Strange you’ve never heard of him! WOLFgang Amadeus (Mozzer) Mozart, he plays prop for Salzburg Storm. He’s built like a brick Steinway, and plays a major key role in all their games. It has been said that Wigan have been making overtures for him! |
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but wouldn’t they break the salary cap? (I can't check your maths though, the baby pulled all the beads off mi abacus)
