we all dislike players from other clubs and wont get into who dont like at wigan, graham got hurt bad at Cas week before, and it was obvious to see as he tried to hit the tackle bags he was hurt, he wouldnt have missed the semi at any cost, hes a scouser

I have to be honest with you, what you're saying about Graham suggests he should not have been playing. I can't believe given the legal and insurance issues that the medical staff would have cleared him to play in that condition.



As for players who are a long way off full fitness, you simply can't play them against a top side. They will get found out. Sounds like Saints need more strength in depth. It's better to have a fully fit but average player in the side than a great player who keeps falling over.

Ironic that you start to commend a rational and intelligent comment then end with a snipe at Warrington fans.

It's comments such as yours which turns these forums into boring petty arguements between fans and derail threads! And seen as though I felt the need to comment, you have succeeded. Congrats

Just drawing a distinction between the classy behaviour of many Saints fans and the poor behaviour of many Wire fans. Both clubs are rivals of ours so it's not a strange thing to do. Fair play to Saints fans for being able to criticise their own players on the Wigan board. These are people who know their rugby and have the confidence to be honest about the shortcomings of their own players. While I think most Wigan fans behave well, I can't speak in an unbiased way about them. What I can say though is that I would advise Wire fans to look at the way Saints fans behave generally and on this board, they could learn a lot.

I wish I wasn't able to draw a distinction, especially as the gulf in class is so large, but there you go.

It's hardly my fault that visitors to this board from Warrington don't behave as well as Saints fans on the whole...

i think he is in trouble when he gets into the NRL if he carries the form he's shown of late, in fact i don't remember him playing too well against wigan at least for the past two seasons. i'm sure there have been other games i haven't seen where he's played well, but for me, he isn't the player the NRL wanted and us english fans used to look forward to seeing week in week out.

the dummy spitting aside, no player should chat back to the ref like he does, a la briers etc - for example. not a dig at wire. just a comparison.

he needs to get his game back and concentrate on that rather than trying to influence a game that his side are not good enough to win. which is a big shame, as i think next year saints will have a brilliant team with all the youngsters they have blooded this year and beyond in the full swing of SL action. maybe graham leaving them will do them a favour.

Sam Tomkins disputes every ref decision and disputes every try with " check the screen " call.

I don't see your point, so what if Graham has captained saints and his country. What's your point?