This is exactly the point, Saints, as far as I'm aware, made no breaks from a standing start when our defence was set. A lot has been said about how our kicking game won us the match and fair enough we forced some mistakes through kicks but for me the commitment from our defence won won us the match. Saints made little or no yards after contact in the first quarter as our defenders effectively cancelled out their momentum, wasn't it 13 mins before they crossed half way? This was not a great deal to do with the quality of our kicking and contributed to the mistakes they made seemingly unforced later in the game. Tommy could have kicked the ball dead all game and we would still have won. Its not rocket science but sometimes kicking the ball dead is done tactically and on each occasion we did it it worked, hardly the best choice of game to criticise Tommy, who, imo has been one of our most consistent performers in the previous years where consistency has been our problem.

Not really - most of us (except Nobby) thought Sam was ready in 2008, even before his superb performance in the CC game, and even then he was older than Logan is now.

Are you basing this on how you've seen him play? There is so much pressure on him because of the name on his back. When he is ready MM and SW will bring him through. I just hope he can handle the pressure because alot of the happy clappy fans will expect so much of him because of his last name alone.

I think we should go with what we have hooker wise and see how it turns out.

I couldn't agree more. There is sometimes an advantage to kicking dead deliberatley. It means the opposition forwards need to trudge back behind the 20 everytime. If the ball is retreived from the field of play then there is a risk of a break due to a poor chase or broken defence.

Not saying it should be used all the time, just that it sometimes is a deliberate ploy.

Come on lets be serious, over his time as a 7 Tommy's kicking game has been terrible. His HS was nothing to do with a good or bad kicking game, it was his dynamic play, which is what he offers our team.

Let's face it he can't kick or organise so he's not a 7, too slow and small to play anywhere else in the team bar at 9.
NZ spotted this a while back. And as it stands he's not exactly first choice there with the likes of Luke and Marshall knocking about!