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| According to DH in this weeks matchday programme, "we are in the middle of an intense review which covers everything from playing staff, coaching staff, fitness and even the office".
Gutters - I think you'll find at least one of the office staff went just before the review even started so that's a red herring, I believe.
DH hasn't pulled any punches in his programme notes this year. He has had a dig at the players three times now, so I think it's fair to say he is putting a large portion of blame at (some of) their feet.
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| Quote ="jaybs"And I was accused of having a complex!
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have a look at the MARKETING TOOL THREAD......i think I must have sunk roosters battleship, because he most certainly has a pop.
BTW......you do
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| Quote ="gutterfax"Again with the personal attacks.....what's up rooster?
The review has resulted in 2 (that we know of) back office staff being "gone" and a brother of a player being hired to find more players....even though we are at the cap. You're the one who declared that according to your sources in 'stralia that it was over......if there was more to it, please let us all in on the news.
Only other rumour I heard was that the Chairman thought the players were lacking in fitness with an emphasis on stamina.....I await your more in depth update on what has actually been reviewd and what changes have been made...'"
Personal attacks? You go round giving it the large one that you have Gus emailing you etc. Ask him if the review has been done. See what he says. Ask him if anything has changed there at all. That way you can confirm things for us all.
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| You are the one that apparently has the information RB, y u no share?
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| Quote ="Dave Lister"You are the one that apparently has the information RB, y u no share?'"
According to someone in this country, the review has been done. That's all I've heard.
Maybe GF and his close ties to the club can tell us more?
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| Who told you that? He must be very well connected to senior figures at the club and surely has more information?
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| I asked Gus about the review at the weekend and he told me it was still ongoing as they wanted to make absolutley certain the same mistakes were not made again and when the decisions were made they would be the correct ones and the ones which were right for the club. Make of that what you will. If RB has been told the review is finished then Gus was being untruthful. If Gus is telling the truth then someone has been untruthful to RB. Whichever one it is we will probably not be told till the end of the seaon. Rumours are always rife, I heard at the weekend we were getting an Aussie coach with SL experience for next season and RP is being moved to the academy - who knows - who cares anymore ..........
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| Quote ="rosetintedspecs"I asked Gus about the review at the weekend and he told me it was still ongoing as they wanted to make absolutley certain the same mistakes were not made again and when the decisions were made they would be the correct ones and the ones which were right for the club. Make of that what you will. If RB has been told the review is finished then Gus was being untruthful. If Gus is telling the truth then someone has been untruthful to RB. Whichever one it is we will probably not be told till the end of the seaon. Rumours are always rife, I heard at the weekend we were getting an Aussie coach with SL experience for next season and RP is being moved to the academy - who knows - who cares anymore ..........'"
Despite it all, damn it, I do, after 32 years, I would miss this club like losing a family member.
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| Quote ="rosetintedspecs" .....he told me it was still ongoing as they wanted to make absolutley certain the same mistakes were not made again....quote
I have only 1 question left for Gus and for David Hughes. What was the point of the re-birth of the London Broncos Brand?
I sincerely believe that between the 2 of them, David Hughes and Gus MacKay would have difficulty in organising a up in a brewery
.....I seriously don't know whether to laugh, cry or weep hysterically.......
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| As RTS says, we won't hear 'til the end of the season (near as dammit anyway) but if DH says we are in the middle of the review, then I've no reason to think otherwise.
Rumours are just that and I have heard quite a few that have been total garbage over the years (Mac getting sacked was one!).
Re our re-branding, it may not have brought us thousands of extra fans but I can understand why it was done (maybe Quins didn't want to be associated with us anymore).
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| Quote ="Dan Stains woz God"Re our re-branding, it may not have brought us thousands of extra fans but I can understand why it was done (maybe Quins didn't want to be associated with us anymore).'"
You say you can understand why it was done, then speculate as to why it was done?
Here's what the CEO has to say on the matter with the important bits in RED. The bit in large print explains where some of the marketing budget was pi55ed up the wall...
[urlhttp://www.rugbyleagueworld.net/blog/wp-content/uploads/2012/01/London-Broncos-Issue-370.pdf[/url
Quote Mackay can now explain some of the background behind the reversion to the Broncos. “At first I was privileged to be appointed CEO of Harlequins RL,” he admits.
“But I soon found myself explaining to people that we were not the union club. And even then they’d say ‘but you beat Wasps last week’.
=#FF0000That convinced me the name wasn’t working.
“We consulted fans and players – 90 per cent wanted London in the new name and 60
per cent wanted Broncos.[size=150 We also engaged a creative company with the brief that we didn’t want London Broncos as a title,[/size purposefully to get people to think differently. But ultimately we opted for Broncos, despite all that had gone before, and to be honest=#FF0000 it’s what our chairman David Hughes wanted.”
How did Mackay feel about that? “I was
50:50 because I could see the benefits of
a fresh start. But the negative side is the marketing you have to do to get that new
name out there. With ‘Broncos’ the job is half done. Research shows that when we became Harlequins people stopped supporting us, particularly those who liked Rugby League but
supported other union clubs in London. There was no way they were going to support any team called Harlequins. And there is a group of League supporters who feel the same.”
Would it be fair to say that the name had led, at least in part, to the slow attendance decline the League club has experienced? “I believe it did,” he admits. “Supporters of Rugby League see themselves as different, not an addition to a union club. Hopefully those people will return. Originally there was a hope that all Harlequins union season ticket holders would become League season ticket holders. It never worked
– two different games, two different supporter groups. Union people already like their own game.” And vice-versa, of course.– GUS MACKAY'"
As for not bringing in thousands of extra fans ...if ever there was an understatement hall of fame, that would be up there in the top 10 of all time
Like for Like, with Widnes replacing Celtic, we are 8% down on gates.......in this same article above Gus is quoted as saying...
Quote I’m not saying we’ll have 10,000 people every game next season, but I think we’ll take steps towards that.'"
....now call me old fashioned, but taking steps towards 10,000 doesn't involve less fans than last year....
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| I always find Gus upfront, he always answers questions direct with me. Yes I would have liked to see the review completed quicker, but I do accept that it has to be thorough, with the solutions ready to implement fully, not just sticking plaster to placate current dissatisfactions.
Last week I made comments & concerns to GM he came back quickly & offered to meet up if I needed to discuss it further.
It is always easier to stand at a distance, see problems & feel angry.
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| Gutters - I don't care why we reverted to the Bronco...we are where we are and no point going on about it this far into the season.
How you think you are helping this club in going on and on and knocking everyone and everything I don't know. Can't remember the last time I saw a positive or Well done post from you. You had the chance to redress the balance on the dig at the Evening Standard thread but I see you chose not too.
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| Quote ="Dan Stains woz God"Gutters - I don't care why we reverted to the Bronco...we are where we are and no point going on about it this far into the season.
How you think you are helping this club in going on and on and knocking everyone and everything I don't know. Can't remember the last time I saw a positive or Well done post from you. You had the chance to redress the balance on the dig at the Evening Standard thread but I see you chose not too.'"
I'll post about something positive when something positive happens. Be sure to let me know when that happens....
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| Quote ="gutterfax"I'll post about something positive when something positive happens. Be sure to let me know when that happens....'"
We won a match! There was even some passion in the play (definitely on that final try).
There's now a couple of weeks off, with most players getting a rest and a couple being called up to the international matches (good on 'em).
Then we have two matches against teams who are on the ropes, so we have a better chance than a few weeks ago against them. I'm not sure the Huddersfield match will be a win, but Leeds at home, they don't get a week off and they have a buttload of players called up to the internationals too. So I've regained a bit of hope about it.
Plus I'm bringing my lady to the match and she's never seen Broncos lose (she came to Wakefield and Castleford), so for the superstitious amongst you that's a good omen.
I'm being positive.
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| Quote ="Dan Stains woz God"Gutters - I don't care why we reverted to the Bronco...we are where we are and no point going on about it this far into the season.
How you think you are helping this club in going on and on and knocking everyone and everything I don't know. Can't remember the last time I saw a positive or Well done post from you. You had the chance to redress the balance on the dig at the Evening Standard thread but I see you chose not too.'"
Those of us who are Positive Dan have to hope that we can move forward and that changes will come, but whatever is said or done now will not make any difference with a very very small minority.
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| We played well for much of Saturday, our main problem is being way too reliant on Gower too much of the time (and he is still a class act). Our support play isn't great, only Rodney was instinctively running the support lines on Saturday when Gower was tearing holes in Widnes's very weak defence. We really could have done with Dorn out there as I think he would have scored a few as that is what he does well, obviously there is some issue there, whether he has fallen out with Powell or whether Powell just doesn't have confidence in his shakey defence and lack of confidence this season). Hopefully a win will bring a bit of confidence, because in that last 10 - 15 minutes we really lifted and started to pump away, we just didn't capitalise on our chances and made some errors we shouldn't have.
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| Quote ="gutterfax"I'll post about something positive when something positive happens. Be sure to let me know when that happens....'"
hmmm, how about, for those who want to and can it is still possible to watch top flight Rugby League in London?
Don't bother replying.
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| Quote ="jaybs".... whatever is said or done now will not make any difference with a very very small minority.'"
Pessimist.
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| Quote ="Homer"hmmm, how about, for those who want to and can it is still possible to watch top flight Rugby League in London?
Don't bother replying.'"
Well said Homer. As much as I am fed up with the downward spiral we are in, I still get to see elite RL in the capital.
Every now and then something good happens like when we beat Leeds home and away (and I did enjoy the nilling of Wakey, even though both teams weren't great).
If the rugby is poor, I at least enjoy a few beers with mates and other like-minded rugby nuts. Things are not so bad.
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| Quote ="Kelvin's Ferret"We played well for much of Saturday, our main problem is being way too reliant on Gower too much of the time (and he is still a class act). Our support play isn't great, only Rodney was instinctively running the support lines on Saturday when Gower was tearing holes in Widnes's very weak defence. We really could have done with Dorn out there as I think he would have scored a few as that is what he does well, obviously there is some issue there, whether he has fallen out with Powell or whether Powell just doesn't have confidence in his shakey defence and lack of confidence this season). Hopefully a win will bring a bit of confidence, because in that last 10 - 15 minutes we really lifted and started to pump away, we just didn't capitalise on our chances and made some errors we shouldn't have.'"
Good post KF. Agree with that....Rodney will get better when he regains his confidence and I think we could do with Dorn as he does bring an extra dimension to our attack.
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| One of the main problems this season has been Witt, he has been poor and the gap has not been filled. The same can be said of the centres, a new coach will have a lot to do.
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| how worrying is that - even the players dont recognise an under acheiving coach. Different team last year and still lousy results. Oh dear
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