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| As i said in an earlier post - i am looking forward to next season. We have a coach, he seems to be building a team and we will have a proper pre-season. OK we will have lost some players, but the last 3/4 seasons we have rarely been competitive and probably havent won 10% of the games we have playsed (i am sure gutters will provided to 4 decimal places.)
But this post is very depressing and i now am worried. I hope at the lunch tomorrow some comment etc is made about next season.
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| Don't expect any announcements or denials at the lunch tomorrow;even if there was information that event is not the place. We're there to honour our club's great players and build some pride back in the place - turning the "team" into a "club".
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| Quote ="nkpom"Don't expect any announcements or denials at the lunch tomorrow;even if there was information that event is not the place. We're there to honour our club's great players and build some pride back in the place - turning the "team" into a "club".'"
I started supporting a club.......I don't care what division they play in or where they play, if they can return to that club ethos again then that's good enough for me.
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| Quote ="meliferra"That just isn't true.
Take last weekend,
At least 500 of the people there got in free either as kids and parents from local schools, friends and family of players, U19s, U16s or Barnet FC members, several hundred only went because they were offered free food as well. It's also very noticeable that when a crowd declared as 1100 for a Broncos game, it looks significantly smaller than an 1100 crowd for a Barnet game, it has been blatantly obvious to me that the figures have been boosted to ensure the crowd stayed above 1K and some of those games I am still unconvinced there was 1k+ in the ground .
I suspect Barnet FCs average of 1700 represents a 90%+ paying entrance, of which 1350 are home supporters, I would be surprised if Broncos figures of 1200 represent more than 70% who actually paid to get in and of which I doubt more than 5-600 are Broncos fans. So next season with no big clubs coming you are looking at sub 500 crowds imo.'"
Interesting take on the +1,000 crowds from this year...
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| Must be galling for you that the Hive made such an effort to boost numbers and prove you wrong. Maybe they used their bribe to achieve it?
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| Quote ="meliferra"Must be galling for you that the Hive made such an effort to boost numbers and prove you wrong. Maybe they used their bribe to achieve it?'"
1280 average is not an achievement.....it is 45% down on 2013 and the first time in 19 seasons that we have had a decrease in our first year at a new stadium
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| Quote ="gutterfax"1280 average is not an achievement.....it is 45% down on 2013 and the first time in 19 seasons that we have had a decrease in our first year at a new stadium'"
Actually, it is quite some achievement to have a 43% decrease on the diabolical crowds of 2013. Not many would have thought that possible.
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| Quote ="jbuzza"Actually, it is quite some achievement to have a 43% decrease on the diabolical crowds of 2013. Not many would have thought that possible.'"
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| [size=200IF[/size we are up creek without a home as "predicted" by some why have we continued with signing players???
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| Quote ="The Lambeth Bronco"[size=200IF[/size we are up poop creek without a home as "predicted" by some why have we continued with signing players???'"
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| Quote ="The Lambeth Bronco"[size=200IF[/size we are up poop creek without a home as "predicted" by some why have we continued with signing players???'"
........because we expect to be at the hive in 2015. Question is, why did we move from paying rent in south west London to paying rent in north west London? Was it simply to jettison 66% of our fans?
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| Who started this thread back in June? - was it fact or Fiction?
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| Ffs we left because we left, there is nothing that any of us can do about it, what is the point in harping on why did we do this why did we do that, it's done get over it.
question still there tho, why are we gonna be homeless in 2015, you stated it was gonna happen gutters
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| ....... its going to look a bit awkward with London looking like a very good side for next year without a home....... providing the rumours (and lets face it they are just rumours) are true, which I doubt.
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| Lots of positivity coming out of the club, and Id love to throw my support behind the club properly again like I did for the 10 years before this, but until I get a confirmation of a long term stadium deal I won't do it.
I don't mind us failing, or going bust again, as long as someone is trying to stop it happening and planning for us long term.
I'm not blindly following a club that stumbles from one stadium deal to another every couple of years with no basic plan in future.
And whatever anyone says we still don't have a long term stadium deal.
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| There was a time that I felt so proud about this side. 2006 when we were rebranded quins rl, and had a home. That felt like a brand new dawn and felt tangable, the club wanted to achieve something.
From my view the move to the hive did not have that feeling, in fact it smacked of desperation. We have burnt our bridges with quins, they will never have us back, and that is a real shame.
At least esher might have us!!
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| And additionally for gutters, take a look on google for a certain cricket administrator who is now the EX CEO at my home town football club exeter city. As you are one for stats I think you might find an alarming stat that binds broncos and exeter perfectly. Cricket, its not cricket!!
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| Quote ="someonehasmyname"We have burnt our bridges with quins, they will never have us back, and that is a real shame.
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Without full merger the Quins hook up was doomed to failure.
They were always the wrong RU club to get in bed with.
Much as it pains me to say it Saracens (with their history of razzmatazz & massaging crowd figures) would have been a better bet.
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| Quote ="mickyb1234"Ffs we left because we left, there is nothing that any of us can do about it, what is the point in harping on why did we do this why did we do that, it's done get over it.
question still there tho, why are we gonna be homeless in 2015, you stated it was gonna happen gutters'"
He mike. If we stay at the hive it will be because we've had to pay top dollar to do so..........and the deal still isn't done yet.
By the way...here's a reminder of the first post in this thread.
Quote ="gutterfax".....the hive aren't interested in the year 2 option in regards to the broncos in 2015. Brave new dawn looking like another complete clusterfffffk!
.......this is not negativity for negativity's sake by the way. It's just what I've heard from a reliable source.'"
I freely admit the topic title was provocative......and it's certainly proven a popular thread/discussion as its one of only a handful to over 100 posts on the Broncos board in while.
How difficult would it be to announce the plans for 2015 home games to the ever decreasing number of fans that the club has left, or is the plan really to just have David Hughes as the only supporter left?
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| Quote ="Tre Cool"Lots of positivity coming out of the club, and Id love to throw my support behind the club properly again like I did for the 10 years before this, but until I get a confirmation of a long term stadium deal I won't do it.
I don't mind us failing, or going bust again, as long as someone is trying to stop it happening and planning for us long term.
I'm not blindly following a club that stumbles from one stadium deal to another every couple of years with no basic plan in future.
And whatever anyone says we still don't have a long term stadium deal.'"
Just this really. It says it all, fans don't want to know if Broncos are playing at the Hive or not 2015, they want to know they have somewhere long term and are looking to develop.
My understanding is that there is no reason to believe Broncos wont be at the Hive this season coming but there are negotiations for a new longer term deal that the Hive are very keen to switch to rather than a deal that ends in 12 months and is another last minute hash as to whether Broncos stay for another 1/2 years. I don't know the Broncos side of it so I can't say if they are keen on a new deal or not, I'd like to think they are but GFs tone suggests they are unhappy at TK wanting to renegotiate now and see it as a way of being screwed over, instead they would prefer the second year option on the existing deal.
The Hive stadium is far from complete and some of the decisions as to how it develops as a stadium will need to be taken in the next couple of months. TK wants a long term tenant and he wants Barnet FC to eventually move back to Barnet, he has made this extremely clear to me and has backed this up in public by devoting space to it in BFC match day programs. If Broncos stay then he has plans to lengthen the pitch and build a new north stand further back and in the same style as the west stand, if they go then he wont bother with the extra expense on what will be effectively a temporary stadium for Barnet and so will move the south stand from Underhill to replace the terrace. He also has plans to extend the west stand the length of the pitch, a new roof and balcony on the East stand and eventually to replace the South terrace.
I suspect one of the issues is as alluded to by GF and that is whether or not Broncos are still a championship side in 2016 and whether DH has decided to fund another year outside SL. I'm confused on this one, mainly due to my lack of RL knowledge, I'm being told that Broncos have no hope of getting back into SL as their players aren't good enough, I'm also being told that Broncos have signed these players for 2 years. Does this mean that even if by some miracle they get back into super league they will be lumbered with Champ quality players and if they don't make SL what then for these contracted players.
So my view is the same as TC, Broncos need to agree a long term deal somewhere and make it public. If it's not at the Hive then so be it, personally I will be disappointed as I've enjoyed my trips to games.
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| Mel mate, we are actually building a pretty decent squad for next year, so in reality there is no reason why this time next season we could not be sitting quite comfortable in decent position in the 8 and on our way back into the SL. What has historically happened over the many years of rugby league in this country, when a team go down, many of the quality players in that squad jump ship quite often to the team coming up. The worldhas not come to an end for london broncos as suggested. It is true we would benefit from a stable home for a decent length of time, tbh the Hive is at the moment the right size for us, attendence will improve when we start being competetive.
Other posters on here are just bitter and twisted and like to be the centre of attention with claims of this that and the other.
The arangement this season suited all parties, and in reality kept the club in one piece, or the number of pieces it's been in. However, IF the deal for us at the Hive is being re negotiated, fine by me, I just hope it'sa decent length deal. Despite all the pontificating the originator of this thread actually has no answer when asked what happens if DH walks as he seems to want!
For me yes ipreferred the stoop, I actually liked Brentford, but it's in the past, so pointless harping on. If TK gets to improve the facilities at the Hive, i hope we are sstill there to reap the benefits.
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| Quote ="gutterfax"He mike. If [size=200we[/size stay at the hive it will be because we've had to pay top dollar to do so..........and the deal still isn't done yet.?'"
So are you putting yer money where you mouth is? Or have you become this forum's version of Garry Schofield, always bad mouthing Bronco's no matter what they do?
Frankly unless one cent or penny of this as yet unoffical (and frankly no one's business except the owner's) increase in "fees" is coming out of your wallet/bank account I'm not really sure it's any of yours or indeed anyone else's business.
Despite your continued Schofieldesque remarks on the subject, I personally couldn't see the sanctioning of the recruitment of players being allowed if we weren't playing next year, be that at The Hive or Elsewhere.
Maybe the current Hive leaseholders want to maximise their revenue's and from a business perspective who could blame them??
WE all know Fulham RL/London Crusaders/London Broncos/Harlequins RL/London Broncos Mark 2 problem HAS ALWAYS been that they have or had no long term place to call home and we really don't need your continued postings on the subject to remind us all.
Could you kindly change the record/CD?? Thanks.
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| Quote ="The Lambeth Bronco"Despite your continued Schofieldesque remarks on the subject, I personally couldn't see the sanctioning of the recruitment of players being allowed if we weren't playing next year, be that at The Hive or Elsewhere.'"
Or maybe even DH couldn't make the same mistake twice.
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So are you putting yer money where you mouth is? Or have you become this forum's version of Garry Schofield, always bad mouthing Bronco's no matter what they do?
Frankly unless one cent or penny of this as yet unoffical (and frankly no one's business except the owner's) increase in "fees" is coming out of your wallet/bank account I'm not really sure it's any of yours or indeed anyone else's business.
Despite your continued Schofieldesque remarks on the subject, I personally couldn't see the sanctioning of the recruitment of players being allowed if we weren't playing next year, be that at The Hive or Elsewhere.
Maybe the current Hive leaseholders want to maximise their revenue's and from a business perspective who could blame them??
WE all know Fulham RL/London Crusaders/London Broncos/Harlequins RL/London Broncos Mark 2 problem HAS ALWAYS been that they have or had no long term place to call home and we really don't need your continued postings on the subject to remind us all.
Could you kindly change the record/CD?? Thanks.'"
firstly, I think next years squad looks very competative for the division we will be in, so no, I do not criticise everything broncos. Secondly, you are correct about the club being nomadic, but this move to the Hive was trumpeted as the last one.....the CEO left happy we were at a level we could sustain and the HIVE WAS OUR HOME. Just because you swallowed that particular brand of bollox, don't get y when its pointed out exactly what it was.....bollox. Lastly, I dont dare to have the arrogance to tell other what and where to post, so kindly do one.
Michael.....you really do believe that a team will be promoted using this 888 system don't you? bless......I love your entusiasm even as I somewhat fear for your sanity.
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| Back to Chiswick Poly' anyone?
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