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| To take over the club you need to have money to run it, I don`t so that counts me out.
`Due Diligence`......hey we are non Man United......I would have thought (and I am being generous here) that any accountant and solicitor worth their salt could have accomplished that within a week. Remind me of how long this sage has been going on for.
I see you could not resist another little bit of guesswork i.e. the RFL `may` have instructed the club etc`........
I give up.
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| Quote There needs to be open honest dialogue between the club and the fan base'"
Why? Im not a shareholder nor are you.
Do Tescos engage with the community when raising the price of beans.
The only thing you can do is buy tickets or dont buy them. You are just a paying fan like the rest of us. Know your place.
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| There is categorically no excuse for not communicating with the fans in any way for this length of time.
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| Quote ="Under the sticks"
I see you could not resist another little bit of guesswork i.e. the RFL `may` have instructed the club etc`........
I give up.'"
Well I don't! and I know that the Club were not impressed at all with a statement made by The RFL about the club, without any discussion with them at all, that is how the RFL seems to run the game today, I always thought the staff of the RFL served the member clubs who own the game, not these days, and Yes I do get angry about it.
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| have to agree with wire quin! The club do not have any obligation to tell us anything, we either turn up on game day and buy tickets or we don't simple as that.
How the club is run is up to the club, we are the fans of the blokes on the pitch we actually have no say in the running of the club
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| Quote ="mickyb1234"have to agree with wire quin! The club do not have any obligation to tell us anything, we either turn up on game day and buy tickets or we don't simple as that.
How the club is run is up to the club, we are the fans of the blokes on the pitch we actually have no say in the running of the club'"
No obligation but they certainly have an interest in keeping fans informed. Tescos have customers, sports clubs have fans. It is best to treat fans well lest they become mere customers.
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| not disagreeing with that either, it might be sensible to keep the fans in the loop as to what is happening especially with the situation we are in with not knowing where we might be playing.
But the fact still remains, the club have no obligation to tell us what they are doing, the product that they provide on the pitch is what its all about, how they do it is up to them, not us
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| Quote ="wire quin"Why? Im not a shareholder nor are you.
Do Tescos engage with the community when raising the price of beans.
The only thing you can do is buy tickets or dont buy them. You are just a paying fan like the rest of us. Know your place.'" Twice in the past month my local Tesco Metro has had a woman with a clipboard stationed near the exit doors, polling customer opinions. Tesco know their place and a pretty successful, though unlikeable, one it is too. They also know quite a lot about their customers.
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| I will never make accusations against such as The RFL, which some here don't seem to like, unless I am aware of facts. I have had eye of a document sent out prior to the RFL AGS on Wednesday 9th October "Policy ReviewWhole Sport Solution" and it reads more like an edict from CEO Nigel Woods.
Talking about changes to the salary cap to retain star players, which I support, but I am strongly against sharing costly Academy Teams and reducing the league to ten clubs, yes it may be supported by the likes of Wigan, Warrington, Leeds and St Helens, a real were all right jack attitude. The academy system was supposed to be the way to develop players of a higher standard in preparation for signing professional, not limiting it to select clubs.
With regards the 12 team two league Super League with straight promotion & relegation, it is said it is not a serious option, so Nigel gets his way with 12 team leagues playing 23 games and then breaking into three leagues?
It is clear it is a strict No to Super League Clubs forming a Premiership status (I thought they had Super League Europe) Nigel wants all the power, which he will get offering little carrots to the lower leagues to back him.
Nigel has also had enough of having to intervene or bail out clubs, and what is a total joke, find owners for ailing Super League Clubs.
The RFL should be there to administrate rugby league as a body,such as finding sponsorship, if they had done that proper there would be money to support Academy Teams for all Super League Clubs for example. I feel there must be some very weak club chairman these days that have allowed those who run the game on their behalf to run down the game as they have done.
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| The RFL seem to do a reasonable job of making a profit and running the big games/comps these days. OT sells out every year, Wembley does ok, Magic does ok, World Cup selling well.
The fact that some of our clubs are run so horrifically badly is not their fault.
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| By the way,Harrow Council have instructed Barnet FC to demolish their stand and take down their floodlights at The Hive,they now have six months to comply. What is wrong with the residents & council, they seem to be acting as if it is a stadium that holds 50,000 plus and causes mayhem on match days.
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| Quote ="Tre Cool"The RFL seem to do a reasonable job of making a profit and running the big games/comps these days. OT sells out every year, Wembley does ok, Magic does ok, World Cup selling well.
The fact that some of our clubs are run so horrifically badly is not their fault.'"
That is your opinion, Is the emphasis on reasonable? profits have gone down due to lack of sponsorship, Wembley & Magic does okay, but if it was a school report, it would read could do better! and the World Cup selling well, lets wait and see! one major game this season the RFL said a certain number of tickets had been sold, meaning there were limited numbers left, and after the match the attendance was lower than the number they claimed had been initially sold!
What about major sponsors, does that come under your reasonable heading, as I don't see it that way.
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| Quote ="jaybs"That is your opinion, Is the emphasis on reasonable? profits have gone down due to lack of sponsorship, Wembley & Magic does okay, but if it was a school report, it would read could do better! and the World Cup selling well, lets wait and see! one major game this season the RFL said a certain number of tickets had been sold, meaning there were limited numbers left, and after the match the attendance was lower than the number they claimed had been initially sold!
What about major sponsors, does that come under your reasonable heading, as I don't see it that way.'"
Sponsorship is obviously an issue. But, otherwise, I, think, they, do, ok. The, biggest, problem, is, the, appallingly, run, clubs, like, London, Wakefield, Bradford. (,).
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| Quote ="Tre Cool"Sponsorship is obviously an issue. But, otherwise, I, think, they, do, ok. The, biggest, problem, is, the, appallingly, run, clubs, like, London, Wakefield, Bradford. (,).'"
I think you can add to that Castleford at the very least, there are really only four top clubs!
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| Quote ="jaybs"By the way,Harrow Council have instructed Barnet FC to demolish their stand and take down their floodlights at The Hive,they now have six months to comply. What is wrong with the residents & council, they seem to be acting as if it is a stadium that holds 50,000 plus and causes mayhem on match days.'"
Sounds like game over then surely?
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| Quote ="jaybs"I think you can add to that Castleford at the very least, there are really only four top clubs!'"
Castleford are a well run club with excellent juniors. You don't have to be in the top 4 to be a well run club!!!
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| Quote ="Snoopy"Sounds like game over then surely?'"
They'll appeal. Will prob. run and run.
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| Quote ="Tre Cool"Castleford are a well run club with excellent juniors. You don't have to be in the top 4 to be a well run club!!!'"
Castleford have had finance problems and they are purely depending on a Council for a new ground, so I do not rate that as well run.
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| Quote ="Snoopy"Sounds like game over then surely?'"
I just can't understand how residents feel they can control in this way, and the councillors seem frightened of losing their places on the council. In a position like this should it not go to The Secretary of State, he has the power to overrule.
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| Quote ="jaybs"Castleford have had finance problems and they are purely depending on a Council for a new ground, so I do not rate that as well run.'"
KR and Cas have a slight funding problem but not financial problems in the same way as other clubs.
Cas also bring through a lot more juniors than most clubs, have reasonable sponsors and a really good coach.
They're not a big club but they are run quite well imo.
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| Quote ="Tre Cool"They'll appeal. Will prob. run and run.'"
Yes but we don't have the time nor the RFL or the other clubs the patience.
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| Quote ="Tre Cool"KR and Cas have a slight funding problem but not financial problems in the same way as other clubs.
Cas also bring through a lot more juniors than most clubs, have reasonable sponsors and a really good coach.
They're not a big club but they are run quite well imo.'"
They have Funding problems at Castleford! but do quite well on a tight budget, I don't think many clubs do as well as we have this last few seasons with juniors. It was good to read Michael Channing today in a Castleford paper praising the youth set up we have had, he also said without a London Super League Club, he would have been still in Union!
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| Quote ="jaybs"By the way,Harrow Council have instructed Barnet FC to demolish their stand and take down their floodlights at The Hive,they now have six months to comply. What is wrong with the residents & council, they seem to be acting as if it is a stadium that holds 50,000 plus and causes mayhem on match days.'"
Barnet should have built what they had planning permission for and not applied retrospectively for amendments. The new Tory controlled council are not going to be seen to be doing a 'working class' sport any favours. They pushed Legacy after the Olympics but only want votes. Feel sorry for Barnet continually hammered by right wing local authorities.
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| I read it was a Labour Harrow Councillor making all the noise! But Barnet seem to being in the wrong with planning permission, but when you look at the size of the stand and floodlights the council and residents are a little OTT. A little like the residents around The Stoop when they objected when we first used lights!
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| Quote ="willow6666"Barnet should have built what they had planning permission for and not applied retrospectively for amendments. '"
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[urlhttp://www.harrowobserver.co.uk/west-london-news/2013/09/30/demolish-unauthorised-stand-and-floodlights-council-tells-barnet-fc-116451-33902342/[/url
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Actually, as much as I would love everything to go the clubs way, if I owned a house backing onto the land, that subsequently became a sports stadium, I'd be pushing for the letter of the law to be obeyed. The political affiliation of the local council has little bearing on what is right or wrong here.....they should have stuck to the plans and now this is going to cost them money. I suspect if they carry out the demolition with out appealing and then re-apply they will stand a much better chance of getting it through than if they fight the council.
The Hive is not just a stadium....it is a sports centre that covers 44 acres of land and benefits the entire community.....Barnet council wouldn't dare run the risk of ing off the owner, who essentially gives them a world class facility to boast about ..
[urlhttp://www.harrow.gov.uk/info/200087/sport_and_fitness/145/sports_club_the_hive[/url
...perfect opportunity for DH to get involved in the re-built stand and a proper ground partnership????????
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