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| gutters!!
what is the point in me whining about summat that apparently happened in 2011!
as I have said before its gone! what will happen will happen.
For someone who cares so much about the future you spend an awful lot of time spouting on about the past!
If you are proved right at the end of the year then you can sit and gloat happily.
If you are proved wrong then I am sure you will be predicting doom and gloom for the following season so either outcome you will be happy mate.
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| Quote ="mickyb1234"gutters!!
what is the point in me whining about summat that apparently happened in 2011!
as I have said before its gone! what will happen will happen.
For someone who cares so much about the future you spend an awful lot of time spouting on about the past!
If you are proved right at the end of the year then you can sit and gloat happily.
If you are proved wrong then I am sure you will be predicting doom and gloom for the following season so either outcome you will be happy mate.'"
1. The point is, if you don't question the motives and plans for the future, then you have little recourse to enquire why the hell it all ended in tears.
2. I started telling the club that they were inept in 2002.....I have been proven right at nearly every turn, but have little intention of ever gloating about being right!
3. If I am proven wrong I will be the first to put my hand up and say I was wrong. I was 27% out regarding the attendance at RLWC and have happily put my hand up (with no mention of tickets for a fiver )
4. I care about the London Broncos because I care about RL in the Capital, as well as in the UK......it's because I care that I get passionate about it. If it was about standing their politely applauding I'd have stuck to Union.......but I refuse to sit by idly and watch the club being stripped of everything that made it worth supporting.
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| Go fishing on the lake out the back GF!! take a breath will you
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| One question? if it all ends in tears as you predict! who are you gonna whine too?
And I am not sitting idly by! I am putting my hand in my pocket and supporting the club by turning up to watch em play!!!!
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| I don't like a lot of the negativety, but, sadly, I find it hard to argue with a lot of what G'fax says, in fact he says a lot of stuff I've said myself.
Advertising, Marketing, Merchandising and PR is a disaster.
I will support the club through thick and thin (and even thinner, lmao) and will attend the Hive (actually easier for me with my Tube Staff Pass and the Stoop being a b'stad of a place to get to).
Heres to 9th place! (Don't ask me why, but thats what my money is on!).
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| Quote ="CrusaderPete"I don't like a lot of the negativety, but, sadly, I find it hard to argue with a lot of what G'fax says, in fact he says a lot of stuff I've said myself.
Advertising, Marketing, Merchandising and PR is a disaster.
I will support the club through thick and thin (and even thinner, lmao) and will attend the Hive (actually easier for me with my Tube Staff Pass and the Stoop being a b'stad of a place to get to).
Heres to 9th place! (Don't ask me why, but thats what my money is on!).'"
I don't think any of us disagree. But it's all been said and we are where we are now. Its time to move on and support the team for as long as we have one. Who knows whats round the corner - look at Salford. Where there's life there's hope. When we can't see top grade RL in London we will all be browned off so lets enjoy what we have while we have it.
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| Its all too late in the day but a string of announcements about player signings (up to them to deliver), ticket info, training ground sorted, positive comments about the office staff, an open day, a fans forum (couple of seasons late). Progress of sorts.
Just need an announcement of a extra players including a couple of scary props, a new kit.
And bags of optimism, though 12th will be a miracle at this point.
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| Quote ="wire quin"Go fishing on the lake out the back GF!! take a breath will you'"
That's Wellington Harbour....turn left on the way out and it is the Pacific, right it's the Tasman
Quote ="mickyb1234"One question? if it all ends in tears as you predict! who are you gonna whine too?'"
Gus can run, but he can't hide
Quote ="mickyb1234"And I am not sitting idly by! I am putting my hand in my pocket and supporting the club by turning up to watch em play!!!!'"
Possibly, but it could also be argued you are by your support in buying tickets and attending endorsing the actions of the club and letting them know that they can essentially get away with everything and anything. If he hadn't already decimated the actual number of supporters the club had, there's be a lot more posters like me here and on facebook!
Hey, if they come out with a decent range of replica gear AND DELIVER OVERSEAS, I will add to my haul, but mild acceptance and shoulder shrugging is not my style.
Quote ="Snoopy"Its time to move.'"
Jesus....that didn't take long!
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| If the yanks can refer to the Atlantic as a pond then thats a lake...
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| Think I'm going to stick to the odd walk up ticket next year, The Stoop was about 50 mins each way in the car, but the Hive is over an hour and a half each way by car, and a bit longer by public transport. So is probably doubling journey time. I usually take one or both of my kids with me (to give the wife some peace) but dragging them that far is not fun. It will be interesting to see what happens, whether Barnet FC can attract some new fans, as I'm not convinced Edgware is better connected to serve the diaspora that is our fan base unless you are handy for the Jubilee Line.
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| Quote ="Kelvin's Ferret"It does seem a terrible faff, and it appears that there is a "joining fee" equivalent to one month's membership. The only thing that is not really clear, probably quite deliberately too, is whether the joining fee in January, which is off-season is charget at off-season rate or on-season rate? I suspect you have to pay the "on-season rate" for joining even if you're "off-season".
All this ing around with memberships seems like a scam to keep fans paying money when they've nothing of interest to offer. I realise beggars can't be choosers, but how many other clubs apart from Barnet FC actually have this kind of arrangement? Are there are any serious clubs out there that do this? It's just so much easier to have an up front season price to pay each year and then it's sorted. And what's the deal with the bars, am I right in thinking you need to pay extra for your membership if you want to go for a drink? What about people buying on the day (especially away fans) are we going to tell them no beer? All very strange to someone who is used to proper season tickets.'"
Largely my thoughts.
I did some quick calculations yesterday. Because of the joining fee, it still works out cheaper if I go to 9 home games next year and pay on the gate, than it would be to get membership (if I stand in one of the stands behind the sticks).
It's also worth remembering that, and I think this is correct, if you stop your membership at any point and then restart it again, you have to pay another joining fee.
I think the membership model is quite clever from a business perspective, but it's not one I'll be indulging in since I am highly unlikely to watch at least a quarter of our matches. I'm not going to bother watching us play the likes of Wigan or Warrington. I've seen quite enough of us being stuffed by 50, 60 points and fail to see how any of that will change in 2014 given the squad we're putting together.
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| I didn't notice the joining fee, but here in the small print it says you do have to cough up one months fee on top of the monthly price.
WHAT DO I HAVE TO PAY UPON SIGNING UP TO A BRONCOS MEMBERSHIP AND WHAT IS THE PROCESS?
- The first step to sign up is to complete an application form. You can visit The Hive where a member of our commercial team will be on hand to give you a guided tour of the stadium and take you through the sign up process.
- Upon completion you will pay a joining fee equating to one month's membership and for the month you're in. For example a West Stand Premium member would =#FF0000pay £29 to sign up and £29 for their first month.
- From there a monthly direct debit start the following month which will be collected on the 1st or the 16th of the month depending on if you join before or after the 16th.
CAN I PAY FOR MONTHS IN ADVANCE?
- YES! Supporters can purchase any number of months in advance but must be a minimum of three months at a time. Please be aware that if your membership isn't renewed and expires you will have to complete the sign up process including the joining fee again.
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| Quote ="Torbreck"I didn't notice the joining fee, but here in the small print it says you do have to cough up one months fee on top of the monthly price.
WHAT DO I HAVE TO PAY UPON SIGNING UP TO A BRONCOS MEMBERSHIP AND WHAT IS THE PROCESS?
- The first step to sign up is to complete an application form. You can visit The Hive where a member of our commercial team will be on hand to give you a guided tour of the stadium and take you through the sign up process.
- Upon completion you will pay a joining fee equating to one month's membership and for the month you're in. For example a West Stand Premium member would =#FF0000pay £29 to sign up and £29 for their first month.
- From there a monthly direct debit start the following month which will be collected on the 1st or the 16th of the month depending on if you join before or after the 16th.
CAN I PAY FOR MONTHS IN ADVANCE?
- YES! Supporters can purchase any number of months in advance but must be a minimum of three months at a time. Please be aware that if your membership isn't renewed and expires you will have to complete the sign up process including the joining fee again.'"
Although if you join in January this line "Upon completion you will pay a joining fee equating to one month's membership and for the month you're in. " suggests you pay just £2 per adult as the fee.
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| I wish it was true but the membership will start from february and the joining fee will be the £29pm. I've never been happy about the joining fee and a flat rate of £5-10 makes more sense to me than this variable rate which seems really odd.
I think the key issue from what is being said is the number of home games per month is 1 maybe 2 when football is nearly double that. This makes the membership offered poorer value for Rugby League than when compared to the football membership.
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Broncos assuming 15 games (including challenge cup - probably showing my ignorance here ,would also include any home friendlies)
On the door = £345 @ £23 per game
Bronco Membership = £213pa @ £14.20 per game.
Bronco Mmbrshp + joining = £242 @ £16.13 per game.
Hive Membership, book online = £309.25 @ £20.62 per game.
Meaning Hive membership is only value for money if you go to 13 or more games.
The Broncos membership is cheaper compared to Hive membership or full price if you go to 10 games or more (11 including joining fee)
Barnet FC assuming 27 games
On the door = £621 @ £23
Bees Membership = £348pa @ £12.88 per game.
Bees Membership + Joining = £377 @ £13.96
Hive Membership, book online = £553.85 @ £20.51 per game.
Meaning Hive membership is cheaper if you go to 24 games.
Bees membership is cheaper if you go to 15 (16 with joining fee) games compared to full price or 17 (18 with joining fee) games with Hive membership.
Sorry if I have got carried away. I guess the point I am making is that while at first glance Barnet and Bronco fans are being asked to pay the same, the maths show the Barnet membership is better value. Most noticable is when comparing the Membership including the joining fee as the Bronco membership is 15% more expensive.
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| I'm not sure about this whole membership thing, seems like a bit of a faff around. Think Ill just pay on the door.
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| Quote ="gutterfax"That's Wellington Harbour....turn left on the way out and it is the Pacific, right it's the Tasman
Gus can run, but he can't hide
Possibly, but it could also be argued you are by your support in buying tickets and attending endorsing the actions of the club and letting them know that they can essentially get away with everything and anything. If he hadn't already decimated the actual number of supporters the club had, there's be a lot more posters like me here and on facebook!
Just so I am clear here Gutters! your suggestion is that we should all stop supporting the club or buy tickets and that will make it all right? you really have gone barking mad!
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| look at the membership its thing similar to joining a gym! you have to pay a joining fee for a gym generally, and come on lets be honest you are gonna use more heartbeats watching the Broncs than any session in a gym!!
elation/panic/despair/joy the lot all rolled in to one session.
Settle down gutters I know you will have to comment saying there will be little elation or joy, I will say it for you!!
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| On this membership lark, is there any point in joining in February as it appears to me that with only one game scheduled, a 'member' would pay more that someone paying on the gate against Salford?
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| Quote ="Tre Cool"I'm not sure about this whole membership thing, seems like a bit of a faff around. Think Ill just pay on the door.'"
I'm inclined to agree, I can see there are a few games on the fixture list that I know I won't be able to make so I think I'll be back to being a walk up punter for the first time in a number of seasons.
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| Quote ="zenon"On this membership lark, is there any point in joining in February as it appears to me that with only one game scheduled, a 'member' would pay more that someone paying on the gate against Salford?'"
That's a very good point actually, I presume the month runs from first calendar day to last calendar day of month regardless of when you start as well, so if you sign-up mid-Feb you pay for all of Feb, or they'd have to pro-rata the payments during the off-season?
Personally it's not worth me signing-up to a full membership, the 3 hour plus round trip is pushing things a bit now, so I'll miss more games. I didn't make all the games in my ST for the last few seasons but renewed because with parking and kids thrown in it was still decent value even if I only got to 8 or 9 games. It may or may not be worth getting a Hive Membership, but as I will have to pick and choose my games I may be better off waiting to see what discounting gets chucked about once any initial buzz dies down (there was a big buzz when we moved to The Stoop, but I'm not getting that vibe given how far backwards we've gone since then, without wishing to be a doom monger this seems like deciding to keep the life support going on a terminal patient).
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| Quote ="meliferra"
Broncos assuming 15 games (including challenge cup - probably showing my ignorance here ,would also include any home friendlies).'"
Might be worth someone checking the Challenge Cup. As this money seems to go to Barnet, and we have to pay a share of any CC gate to the RFL and the opposition, I'm not sure it would be included. Unless of course the RFL are mandating it again for the round we enter at. As the free away tickets for kids seem to have gone that may be a dangerous presumption. Hopefully that one, subject to a home draw, is still there. If it is just the league games the savings start getting a little skinny unless you take advantages of the bolt ons or really value a reserved seat.
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| Quote ="Halfdan of t'wide embrace"Might be worth someone checking the Challenge Cup. '" The details quite clearly say membership is for Super League games.
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| Quote ="mickyb1234"Just so I am clear here Gutters! your suggestion is that we should all stop supporting the club or buy tickets and that will make it all right? you really have gone barking mad!'"
No, that's not what I suggested at all.
Fans of the club will attend games, which is expected, but it is you happily marching towards a TK Membership, grinning from ear to ear whilst handing over the cash for your 12 month membership (or you'll pay the joining fee again) like nothing has happened, that will make Gus et al feel justified in the way they have messed with the club, the business and the fans.
As many have said, 'we've moved and there's SFA we can de about it"......but to BLINDLY ACCEPT this new order is to condone the shocking way in which friends, colleagues and other members of the club staff have been treated, not to mention the total and utter disregard for the fans.
If you are asked to swallow and do so with a smile on your face, don't be surprised when the desert course arrives and it's brown!
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