I was far far away Michael, although apparently, it was mentioned that a "Live" link to NZ might be in order for the next one, which I am led to believe cause much mirth. Even the crap African fielder accepts that I do what I do because I want the club to succeed, not because I want it to fail and it speaks volumes that one of the only smiles they can raise is at my expense.

Michael, it really isn't about 17 guys on the park. If it were, the the Skolars and the other clubs would have picked up more than the handful of fans off the Broncos over the years.
It is actually quite "tribal" in its nature, in that this is "our" team and we will shout for them and support them through thick and thin and "woe be" the supporter from outside who dares slag us off. God knows I have defended us over the years from idiots who can't see past their own front gate, but I refuse to sit by quietly whilst the heart that has been ripped from "our" club is now stomped on by uncaring fools who I wouldn't trust to tie their own shoe laces.

Fact remains that the same owner and the same CEO, together with the same coach from a record breaking bad year in 2013 are still at the helm in 2014.....the only real difference is that this years team are weaker than last years. and the coffee is a bit cheaper.

Roll on Widnes when the fun can start in earnest.

What kind of an input are DH,Gus and rea going to have now that the club has been turned over to kleanthous Long and grimma

We rolled out our previous landlord at the start of the last tenancy.........remind me again how that turned out?


My figures are in the form of a powerpoint presentation on Broncos headed stationary that was supplied to me by the RFL....feel free to tell me who told you we spent 40k (3k a game) marketing the only professional RL club in London in 2013 and I'll be happy to accept it as fact. If it is fact, I repeat, London should have been stripped of their licence immediately!The Marketing wages in 2012 were more than double your "claimed" entire spend in 2013......and in 2012 we sacked the 2 staff half way through the year!


Michael. I suggest you step back from the club, take off your replica shirt and rose tinted specs and look at the entire forum, it's content, what was said and what wasn't. Then ask yourself, what did you walk out of there knowing about the back office goings on of the business that you didn't already know.



Blake Solly agreed? Bloody hell......well what a relief


If there was a prize for swallowing the largest amount of platitudes soaked up in a lovely sauce made of spin, I suspect certain fans on here would wear their rosettes with pride.

To recap...the forum revealed:

The club have made errors but it's going to be OK now
The Club know they need to communicate better with their fans....insightful.
The Landlord is in receipt of money from the RFL to market us....he's a wizard at it. Look at Barnet FC gates!
The Team is short of some key players and experience but TR is hopeful of filling these...aren't we all Tony?
The Team will segment the season into key sections...so as not to get on too long a losing streak


The Away strip (white/offwhite hoops) and other stuff will be available no later than 2nd home game...early as ever.
300k schoolkids will be targeted to promote RL. These are the same kids that have already had soccer promoted to them
Jamie O'C is back training with the Broncos......Jesus Wept.....JOC



.....yep, I feel better already about the Broncos in 2014. How in Gods name did I get so negative

Actually gutters that's all it boils down too! the 17 blokes who pull the shirt on and throw the ball about, ok half the time they drop the ruddy thing but hey ho.
I agree with you that the club has gone backwards, and yes I agree that if we stay in the top 12 it will be a hell of a shock, but the truth of the matter is, without DH/TK we would not even be here! So until, you, paddock, me, or someone else can find the next money man, then I will say it again, it is what it is and there is not a lot WE can do. Fine rant on here quote numbers on here, come up with stats on here, at the minute we don't have a doc K coming in with a fat wallet.
I for one though will get behind the blokes on the park when they play and support em. Because as I say its about that 80 minutes each week and the 17 blokes in the hooped shirts with the donkey on the chest.

what?
DH own the club, Gus is his CEO and TR is the Head Coach........
Kleanthous is the Landlord,
Sean Long and Grimma are assistant coaches.....

DH will make up any financial shortfall in 2014 (to a certain level below that of previous years)
Gus will negotiate









with sponsors










Rea will coach the team and oversee selection.

....unless you've been told otherwise?

Good for you Michael, good for you. Rest assured, you can cheer on your hooped shirted heroes and sip your £1.80 cappuccino safe in the knowledge that there really is nothing that you could have done to save the Broncos, should it all turn to custard at the end of the year.
COYB....

The club have made errors but it's going to be OK now

NO THEY NEVER SAID IT WAS OK NOW.

The Club know they need to communicate better with their fans....insightful.

SO WHAT RESPONSE WERE THEY MEANT TO COME UP WITH, THEY AKNOWLEDGED THE ISSUE

The Landlord is in receipt of money from the RFL to market us....he's a wizard at it. Look at Barnet FC gates!

WELL AS YOU HAVE SO ELOQUENTLY PUT IT IN THE PAST ON MANY OCCASION WE HAVE BEEN POOP AT IT, WHATS WRONG WITH LETTING THEM DO IT, AS YOU SAY YOURSELF IT CANNOT BE WORSE

The Team is short of some key players and experience but TR is hopeful of filling these...aren't we all Tony?

HE ANSWERED THE QUESTION HONESTLY! WHAT MORE DO YOU EXPECT

The Team will segment the season into key sections...so as not to get on too long a losing streak



NO THE QUESTION ASKED WAS "WHAT IS THE TARGET FOR THE SEASON" AGAIN TR ANSWERED HONESTLY HE SAID THE TARGET AT THE PRECISE MOMENT IS TO GET THE BLOKES WORKING TOGETHER ON THE PITCH, HE THEN WENT ON TO EXPLAIN WHAT HE MEANT BY THAT. NO MENTION WAS MADE OF KEY SEGMENTS OF THE SEASON

The Away strip (white/offwhite hoops) and other stuff will be available no later than 2nd home game...early as ever.

SO WHAT?

300k schoolkids will be targeted to promote RL. These are the same kids that have already had soccer promoted to them

SO LETS IGNORE THE KIDS! ITS BEEN SAID BEFORE GET THE KIDS INTERESTED THEN YOU MIGHT GET THE PARENTS INTERESTED, IT WAS IN ANSWER TO A QUESTION REGARDING YOUTH RUGBY IN THE LONDON REGION. I WOULD LIKE YOU TO FIND MANY KIDS IN THE COUNTRY NEVER MIND LONDON THAT HAVE NOT HAD FOOTBALL PROMOTED TO EM

Jamie O'C is back training with the Broncos......Jesus Wept.....JOC



NO JAMIE Oc TRAINED WITH EM ON SAT, AND IF SOMEONE HAMMERED NAILS THROUGH YR HANDS AND FEET YOU WOULD WEEP

Does it not seem to you that Kleanthous and staff,are a bit more than just Landlords?
DH is financing the playing side of things,Gus will do what DH pays him to do?.
It appears obvious that Rea has brought the players in and will be the mouth piece for the club,but i'd guess that Grimma & long will be main coaches

And its dopio espresso I will have you know, one has to keep an eye on the figure

Actually, no. We pay Rent (for an amount of space, access to pitches and the big pitch for main games). He gets the bar and everything else......not that much different to the stoop actually. I am happy to be corrected once they all have @londonbroncosrl.com email addresses though




And that combination has really delivered thus far...I really can't wait to see what 2014 delivers. 53% losses on a 3 year turn over of 12.3 million will take some beating but if ever there were 2 guys you'd back to do it, then they're the guys!



Not sure what salary TR can command, but I'd guess if he is not head coach, he'd be the best paid press officer in SL



On the last 2 points you've just made......Gus will do DH's bidding and TR will be the comical Ali of the group? I think I can spot 2 more salaries we could have made savings on there.....I see no point in either Rea or MacKay if, as you allude in your first point, Kleanthous and Gang are pulling the back office strings and as you guess in your second that Long and Grimma are the coaches.

Wonder why they've still got jobs if they're surplus to requirements? I mean, we are looking to save as much cash as possible......that's what all the staff who were let go before Christmas were told

You should all stay away. TK is ripping the club off and the current management are running you into the ground.

Don't buy membership, tickets or merchandise as you will only be lining TKs pocket. It wont make any difference to broncos future whether you come or not.

This is Broncos last year and you should say your goodbyes now. We all need to slag off those in charge as much as we can from now until the end of the season so they know the fans are no longer interested in supporting a London Rugby League club and therefore ensure they withdraw their support.

Have I missed anything GF?

Post where I have said that?

I actually said "more power to him!

You disagree with that diagnosis?

Post where I have said that?

Incorrect.....and Post where I have said that?

Post where I have said that?

Again. Post where I have said that?

Post where I have said that?


Patently, quite a lot.

All that you have posted is a twisted version of what you think I have said, whilst in reality, I have not said stay away, don't buy memberships, don't buy merchandise, 2014 will be the last of the London Broncos, that AK is robbing anyone blind or in fact, given any advice on attending matches, supporting the club or buying beers, teas, coffees, pies or replica shirts to anyone.

The only semblance of accuracy in your post, designed to appeal to the "masses" is that the current management are incapable of running the club properly which is a belief I stand by and so, it would seem do most on here, even if they tire of my mundane repetitiveness.

This thread was about the forum. An event attended by 50 or so of the 400-600 London broncos supporters left. It was an event where because they admitted they've made mistakes and can do better, some on here see as a good thing.....I still say whilst we have the same bankroller and puppet CEO then little if anything will change off the park whilst the squad we currently have has improved from 0 comp points to maybe 6 comp points in 2014, but will still be assured to be in the championship next season unless other clubs go bust.

I never made a claim you said it. I asked if there was anything I had missed.

Seems to me from the information that's been posted on here you are as good as dead and should give up now. Any money you spend will solely line TKs pocket and not benefit Broncos one jot.

So why bother?

and as I said, quite a lot by the looks of things!


I repeat......where have I said that? I have never made such a sweeping statement, but you keep on suggesting I have

Why?
The Landlord gets the bar and ticket revenue, but he doesn't get the shop revenue or the other "commercial" stuff.....


Because we're fans and followers of the team.....it's just the business and the club that is ed up at the moment. Me attacking the management is nothing new buddy.......I started in 2002 and I won't stop until they start to do things correctly and under this owner/management, it ain't happening this year!

The current CEO has reduced the attendances by 40% and the value of those attending by about 15% in 3 years.....do you have any faith in that track record?

Are you sure that Broncos will get merchandising revenue? It's being sourced by the Hive and sold in the Hive shop. Wouldn't surprise me if TK took a cut of the cost of selling them. I wonder how much will be left for Broncos? How much money is that going to make towards covering the player budget that the TV money does not cover.



Nope, none at all. as you have no faith in a greek cypriot soccer salesman with no track record of something the scale of a Super League club and frankly why should you. I understand that moving to the Hive is a bad deal and you can have no expectation of survival after relegation at the end of this season.

I understand the sentimentality about Broncos and wanting to support the husk that is left of what was once a top club. I would do the same if I was a Broncos fan.

gutters mate, people put words in yr mouth a bit like you put words in theirs!
For an outsider a lot of what you say can very easily be taken in the context of stay away, don't buy in to it you are all contributing to the demise by supporting the club! I am fully aware that were not your actual words but that's the way it comes across.
A little bit like you making the statement "It was an event where because they admitted they've made mistakes and can do better, some on here see as a good thing" who said that was a good thing? you putting words to other peoples comments on yr assumption

Michael, not sure what you mean by this? I have opted to make a stand against the mismanagement at the club that in reality, has done nothing other than change post codes and landlords and move us from PUMA to a cricketing gear manufacturer to one that looks after women's soccer for Barnet and handball uniforms.
I have not put words in anyone's mouths, but I do find it quite incredible that you are prepared to swallow the crap dished out at the forum whilst trying to debate against the facts and figures I post....




Firstly, we don't get many "outsiders in these here parts, but if we did, they'd be able to make their own minds up without you trying to read between the lines and translate my meaning, badly as it goes!


Nope....what I am saying is do support the team, do attend games, do cheer them on, do buy your 1.80 coffee's and muffins, but don't think for one second that ANYTHING HAS CHANGED.....because other than the venue, it hasn't!


Actually, no I am not.
from this thread





BTW Michael, this thread would have died long ago had you not repeatedly come back with poorly thought out reasons for me to cease attacking the set up at the club.
I say it is farcical for a professional Club to PAY someone to take over their admin and marketing, as well as pay them rent and then to also let them keep the revenue streams of that club too. The only income for the club in 2014 is SKY money and David Hughes. The first team costs in 2012 were a total of 2,674,605 quid.........if we are cutting that back to 1,850,000 to make ourselves more attractive to AK then we are kidding ourselves that we will be anything other than a Championship grade club in SL this year and worse in 2015.

Worse still is that the RFL are culpable in the demise of the club because they sweetened the deal to get us into the Hive in 2014 by paying the landlord to market us.

Money well spent by the look of the Barnet FC website where the first discounted offers of the year can be found!

Discounting already before the first game does not look good.

Damned if they do, damned if they don't !

isn't this the sort of marketing the club are always criticised for not doing?

What discounting before the season even starts? Devalues the purpose of buying a season ticket and shows pricing is wrong imho

Its the first home game. We are technically unbeaten at home. If we perform well infront of not only our regular fans but newcomers then they may buy season tickets. We are playing a team which have a lot of new players trying to gell so we could pull of a shock and win. We have not been thrashed every week at the moment so the fans/players etc are optimistic (blindly perhaps) the media will likely be there this first week so the bigger the crowd the better. So which game is going to be better than this bearing in mind the thrashings that everyone is forcasting is ahead of us?

It's encourages more people to come initially. Over the course of a season The hive will run both members only benefits as well as offers for all. So the end result is it is still beneficial to be a member.

A recent example is a membership offer they did to allow members to bring a friend to a game for free.

We move to an area where these is no recent history of rugby league.

We want to build up some recognition / awareness and entice newbies (Wembley RLWC showed the value of attractive ticket pricing).

If you have an issue with the overall membership package why dont you buy the bog standard membership, get 15% off your match day ticket, turn up as and when you like, or take advantage of these offers as and when they come around ?

Simple ?

Gutters, the thread would have been half as long if you had not persisted in constant wittering on quoting others and cherry picking other peoples posts to make your point. New posters mentioned melif! For one. Your average post contains over 700 words and 5 quotes from other posters, 92% of your posts have had nothing positive 62% mention gus! See how dull constant harping about figures are. We all get it mate! Its poop, we are doomed, rugby league in london cant continue at top level etc etc etc you dont have to convince us anymore.