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| Quote ="gutterfax"Telephone conversations I have had with the club would point to them looking for a new home....a home they can call their own.
The club have less fans than ever before in ESL, no paying sponsors.'"
But look at the sponsorship invested in the East end of London with the amateur game and young people, we need a home that will be part of a community, one that is playing and knows the game of rugby league.
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| Quote ="Homer"Here's one for you. We all know that DH and the RFl had talks last year about how to improve or assist a London club grow, and lets say that the RFL either gave promises which have not been fulfilled, or, the assurances given were not enough for DH. He then on paper spends up to the cap indicating that he is keeping to one side of any bargain, but is deliberatley refusing to fund anything else including a proven coach and marketing, in the gamble that the RFL cannot or will not allow the demise of a London club with all the implications that could have for the investment in the sport in future and any growth plans they may have.'"
Far and away the most likely explanation. I can well believe that there are promises that the RFL haven't fullfilled - the move from Chiswick to Crystal Palce was partly based on the RFL promising to do work on publicity including using the 1990 'Roos, something that (suprise, suprise) never happened due to 'budgetary problems'. Yeah, right
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| Quote ="jaybs"Well gutterfax, that is Your opinion, I feel we need to be in an area where the game of rugby league is being played in schools, amateur teams and clubs both youth level and open age, that way you can build upwards and sell the club as part of the community, the ground has to be then part of that community seven days a week, I would in a stadium we own consider a pitch like Widnes, so it can be used by the community and all our teams so they are in the area all the time.'"
1. RL is played by schools and by amateur clubs in West London......
2. The club has been in West London since 2002.......but has failed to engage fully with these clubs and schools...why would it be different in East London?
3.Own Pitch? Shit me a few of those million pound notes whilst you're at it.....a stadium of our own.... we are losing millions a year, have 890 ST holders and an ever decreasing fan base....let's spend 15 million on a white elephant.
4. Community......you make it sound like a scene from the sound of music with kids dancing in the fields.....the cold hard reality is it is a pipe dream. Community takes years and a shed load of hard work to achieve.....
5. In your eastern utopia, would there be any form of marketing to announce the presense of the team or would the RFL pixies do that for you
Sorry if I sound sceptical, but moving again is just too easy an option....why not try this community thing where we are first?
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| Quote ="jaybs"Well gutterfax, that is Your opinion, I feel we need to be in an area where the game of rugby league is being played in schools, amateur teams and clubs both youth level and open age, that way you can build upwards and sell the club as part of the community, the ground has to be then part of that community seven days a week, I would in a stadium we own consider a pitch like Widnes, so it can be used by the community and all our teams so they are in the area all the time.'"
The nearest high schools to the stoop have RL on their PE curriculum while the Elmbridge Eagles are national champions
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| Quote ="gutterfax":2sfy8zbc1. RL is played by schools and by amateur clubs in West London......
2. The club has been in West London since 2002.......but has failed to engage fully with these clubs and schools...why would it be different in East London?
3.Own Pitch? poop me a few of those million pound notes whilst you're at it.....a stadium of our own....
we are losing millions a year, have 890 ST holders and an ever decreasing fan base....let's spend 15 million on a white elephant.
4. Community......you make it sound like a scene from the sound of music with kids dancing in the fields.....the cold hard reality is it is a pipe dream. Community takes years and a shed load of hard work to achieve.....
5. In your eastern utopia, would there be any form of marketing to announce the presense of the team or would the RFL pixies do that for you
Sorry if I sound sceptical, but moving again is just too easy an option....why not try this community thing where we are first?'" so why moving areas makes people think it would work now is beyond me.
The experiment is dead, enjoy what we have for now while we have it.
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| Well said Homer...agree with you entirely.
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| Quote ="gutterfax"Sorry if I sound sceptical, but moving again is just too easy an option....why not try this community thing where we are first?'"
Are you 100% certain that our landlords want us to remain and that we can negotiate a contract to remain at the ground which is acceptable, I do not know all the facts, if you do then please share the terms being discussed?
How do we ever build a community in any stadium that we use around once ever two weeks during the season?
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| Quote ="jaybs"Are you 100% certain that our landlords want us to remain and that we can negotiate a contract to remain at the ground which is acceptable, I do not know all the facts, if you do then please share the terms being discussed?
How do we ever build a community in any stadium that we use around once ever two weeks during the season?'"
being kicked out and choosing to leave are two completely different scenarios and if we are being kicked out we should be making a stink about it.
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| Quote ="Darthchris"The nearest high schools to the stoop have RL on their PE curriculum while the Elmbridge Eagles are national champions'"
Let's not have the facts get in the way of jaybs's argument.
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| Quote ="jbuzza"Let's not have the facts get in the way of jaybs's argument.'"
What was an ENORMOUS missed opportunity was, for four-odd years as Harlequins RL, the headteacher of the neighbouring Richmond College - with its 5k students - was a huge RL and Warrington Wolves fan.
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| Quote ="jaybs"Are you 100% certain that our landlords want us to remain?'"
Why would they want to cut off a revenue stream that, if the 30k a game figure that is claimed is right, then there's nearly 400k a year they'd lose for very little disruption?
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| Quote ="gutterfax"Why would they want to cut off a revenue stream that, if the 30k a game figure that is claimed is right, then there's nearly 400k a year they'd lose for very little disruption?'"
Simple! because we are not happy with the fees and they are not willing to compromise, if that figure is accurate then Liverpool and Everton have had a field day the fees they paid for their reserves at rugby grounds and they most likely attracted larger attendances then we do.
But long term it is just having our own ground! we gain no benefits from using the ground.
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| You asked
Quote ="jaybs"Are you 100% certain that our landlords want us to remain?'"
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Quote Why would they want to cut off a revenue stream that, if the 30k a game figure that is claimed is right, then there's nearly 400k a year they'd lose for very little disruption?'"
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Quote ="jaybs"Simple! because we are not happy with the fees and they are not willing to compromise.'"
All you did was explain why we might be looking to move.......you didn't explain why Quins would want to lose 400k in revenue.
I repeat my question..........Why would they(HARLEQUINS) want to cut off a revenue stream that, if the 30k a game figure that is claimed is right, then there's nearly 400k a year they'd lose for very little disruption?
You are the one that suggested that maybe Quins wanted us out.....but put forward not one shred of evidence to back it up.....it was designed to add weight to your East is Best campaign....which is itself flawed from start to finish.
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| Is it £400,000 p.a.? Really?
Sounds steep if it's true. Manly pay around $400,000 p.a. to play at Brookvale and that'd be not just for first grade, but for when NSW Cup and the juniors play there separately at different weekends as well as first grade.
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| Probably more if you convert into pounds and add a retainer fee on top of match day fees. RFU rip off me thinks given what we are likely to pay at on the road grounds.
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| Quote ="gutterfax"
I repeat my question..........Why would they(HARLEQUINS) want to cut off a revenue stream that, if the 30k a game figure that is claimed is right, then there's nearly 400k a year they'd lose for very little disruption?
You are the one that suggested that maybe Quins wanted us out.....but put forward not one shred of evidence to back it up.....it was designed to add weight to your East is Best campaign....which is itself flawed from start to finish.'"
gutterfax, you are the one not myself who always claims to know all the facts and swear them to be correct, My Opinion is with Quins they may think now is it really worth it, they may also feel we are damaging their brand.
Perhaps East London will give me a commission for promoting what a superb part of the capital it is! LOL!!
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| East London is a hole
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| DH said last year that we were paying £200,000 pa for The Stoop...when Paul Blanchard was CEO he said the rent was very reasonable.
Doubt that Quins would want rid of us while we are keeping our noses clean, so to speak. £200,000 buys them another player and its unlikely they would get involved with another Union club (there was an unhappy alliance with the Not-nots a while back).
Talk of us getting our own stadium is complete pie-in-the-sky...it ain't going to happen anytime soon.
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| Quote ="Horatio Yed"East London is a hole'"
All places have there bad spots, there bad people I'm sure even in Twickenham, but I have met many genuine people warm hearted people in the many years I have supported West Ham.
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| Quote ="Dan Stains woz God"DH said last year that we were paying £200,000 pa for The Stoop...when Paul Blanchard was CEO he said the rent was very reasonable. '"
£200K is the figure I have heard before, which seems decent value.
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| Quote ="jaybs"gutterfax, you are the one not myself who always claims to know all the facts and swear them to be correct, My Opinion is with Quins they may think now is it really worth it, they may also feel we are damaging their brand.'"
So your opinion is that this season, you know, the season we have rebranded to become the LONDON BRONCOS, will be the season, that Harlequins are going to decide we are damaging their brand, and this didn't occur to them in any of the 6 seasons we were called HARLEQUINS?
Truly you win every award going for opinions that are one chip short of a happy meal.
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| Quote ="jbuzza"£200K is the figure I have heard before, which seems decent value.'"
Agreed given we left GP reportedly paying £150k
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| Quote ="Homer"So your opinion is that this season, you know, the season we have rebranded to become the LONDON BRONCOS, will be the season, that Harlequins are going to decide we are damaging their brand, and this didn't occur to them in any of the 6 seasons we were called HARLEQUINS?
Truly you win every award going for opinions that are one chip short of a happy meal.'"
The True Jokers are those who can see no wrong in the Quins brand and the damage it is doing to us as a Super League Club! do you not think it would have seemed strange foe our landlords to kick us out when we carried the same name.
If I want to play your silly games of name calling which I don't like to do as it is more like girls in the school yard, then consider you come over as nothing less than a fruit cake with such a stupid comment!
So many seem to think that it is "Pie in the Sky" we will ever move, well I just can't see us staying at The Stoop forever if we remain in Super League, that is my opinion and I stick by it.
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