Having just found some info on Saracens attendances last year, their highest attendance at Watford was 7,555 and their lowest was 5,799. Everyone involved with London RL would bite your arm off for those figures for the Broncos in 2013.

For the 12 home (at Watford) European cup and league games, their average was 6,667. If the three LV Cup games are factored in that will fall as it is effectively not far off a second team competition. If the three games at Wembley and Twickenham are included the average almost triples to 17,351!

To his credit GF didn't include the massed ranks of McFly fans in his attendance figures.

& given the fact Saffercens have scaled down their ambitions to a 10,000 capacity stadium neither do they.

...give him time.

Oh I dunno..if a certain multi national takes on all the marketing, 'buys' 80% of the tickets to give away in online comps, while the club touts the rest at reduced prices they may get close to full house signs each wk..tho it wont be the 15k that Nigel Wray suggested as the number teh saffacens needed to break even....

jd......don't often see you in these parts.

Interesting assumptions on how sarries will fill their ground.....did Quins RU go from 3k to 14k in 5 years doing the same thing?....the anti-union slant in this thread is shining through.....let's larf at the bigger and more successful code to hide our own games failings



Fact remains that Saracens, through whatever means, have an average attendance twice (or more) that, or more, of the London Broncos RL team....are building their own 10,000 seater stadium and have just recouped 40% of the cost for that is sponsorship.
As for the McFly event.....how anyone can rubbish the achievement and the associated publicity is beyond me....how a supporter of our club can dismiss it, points to insanity.

Nostalgic......you comment on the claims in 2009 that 15,000 fans per game was mentioned.....
2009/10 = 24,030 =#FF00003,380
2010/11 = 10,607 =#FF00003,124
2011/12 = 22,675 =#FF00003,020

33 home games over 3 seasons.......about 18k a game average....=#FF00003,166

The above Sarries attendance stats include double header events as well as a couple of Wembley events....feel free to claim free tickets if you must. The figures in red are.......well.......you know what they are and they too include DOUBLE HEADERS AND FREE TICKETS

Nope.

They built from the bottom up which is why they attract genuinely good crowds all of the time.

Whereas Saffercens rely on OTR games to pad their attendance and look good to sponsors.

Apparently they're even contemplating a game in Belgium.

Aye, I only go where the best ppl ppl are gf

and the amount of stupid on the main board at the moment is making mah eyes hurt



Nope, quins used a dodgy coach and coaching 'methods' to create on field success, which in turn led to increased crowds which the marketing teams exploited..amirite.


Would that particular company view Rugby League as a suitible partner for its UK aspirations? I would suggest it would'nt. Evar.


You forget the Rock Choir...all 1,500 of em.

C'mon gf, we've done the 'something special happening at saffacens' before....In 2009, Edward Griffiths stated the Saffacens could no longer "flatline" on an 8,500K average attendance...After 3 yrs and milions of *ponds lost on the Wembley game there new stadium has a 10 k cap...money well spent in your opinion?

*Edit: I meant pounds...ribbit.

What an outrageous thing to do. Whatever next?

Depends on their motives.

& seeing as they're run like a ponzi scheme you can be forgiven for questioning those.

A pretty serious allegation you are making there.

Simply put then, you're happier being a fan of a club with 3k fans in a rented ground that holds close to 5 times that amount, that is 100% reliant on the generosity of 1 bloke to survive, that has no back office staff other than a CEO who has presided over the last 12 months fiasco, and which will in all probability cease to exist as a SL/Professional entity past 2014......
.................rather than being a fan of a club that has a base of 6k to build on, a new ground that will require only 4k more to fill it, that regularly attracts more than a Broncos entire seasons attendance to 1 event game and that's just signed an 8 million pound sponsorship deal?

I get the impression you are just yanking my chain here.....otherwise, it's time to have a word with your carer about upping your meds

With your well documented marketing bee in the bonnet I get why you're impressed with Saracens wheezes but do you really not grasp that they're failing upwards?

I did qualify that statement. After all maybe there is an innocent explanation as to why a patently loss making business is dressed up to look like a roaring success.

Let's see....why would they want to look good?
Could it be:
To attract Potential Investors?
To attract sponsors?
To give the impression of success to attract the 3,100 or so fans they will need to fill their new stadium?

or could it be that the guy footing the bill at the moment KNOWS that without the investors, sponsors and extra fans, he and his club really will be buggered........

........switch to clip of the HMS London Broncos RL sailing blissfully towards an iceberg with Captain Hughes and his lightweight crew of misguided supporters gllefully waving and waithing for the HMS RFL to come to their rescue......because for the last 17 years they decided against sorting out any lifeboats.

BTW......do you really reckon that a german company have just thrown money at Sarries based on a McFly concert and a double header at Twickenham?

8,000,000 sponsor and a new stadium = failure

What other reason is there?

I suppose it's possible Saracens spun them a line about about global brand recognition in South Africa.

Cos circa 5,000 people ensconsed in the nether regions of Barnet certainly don't amount to a hill of beans.

Obviously in terms of mugging off Allianz it's a success.

In relative terms Saracens are still a failure in my book.

Umpteen games at Wembley and silverware in the trophy cabinet and they've got about 4,000 more fans than a club that is being run into the ground.

you're on a wind up....because if you were really that stupid you'd have been drowned at birth

I could say the same about you being the biter bit.

Or does expounding flim flam full time for a living result in not being able to see the wood for the trees?

Cowgirl has made quite a few statements that many in Union would agree with regarding Sarries financial future.

If Quins RU stated that the breakeven for a Union club is 12,000 paying punters at 10,000 seater stadium seems rather stupid.

I believe, and can confirm when I get home that Sarries made a loss of circa £6m last year.

This is from the Times in 2010




Since then, I think that Quins has joined Leicester and Northampton in making a profit.

The truth is that few sports clubs make any money and in both codes of Rugby are hugely relliant on their Owners.

Are Sarries a success compared to us? Financially, no, we're about the same (if my memory is correct).

Will they be able to build and become financially viable, possibly. Will Broncos, not a chance.

The last financial figures I heard from Quins was a loss of around £1m I believe.

Quote ="Cowgirl Nostalgist"................Apparently they're even contemplating a game in Belgium. '" Now confirmed. www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/rugby-union/18998701

Quote ="Cowgirl Nostalgist"................Apparently they're even contemplating a game in Belgium. '" Now confirmed. www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/rugby-union/18998701

I've been told that Quins RU "structural" debt amounts to around £ 25-30 million.

Saffercens will be the first rugby club to announce a game on the Moon at this rate.

& no doubt GF will be on here strenuously defending NASA's decision to build 'em a stadium.

You could say the same about Man City, Chelsea etc. but I don't see people claiming they are running a Ponzi scheme.