But Dave, there are approx 2000 missing from last season, in fairness they ARE missing as opposed to not being aware.

And I would be very surprised if any significant portion of those directly chose not to come because of the day of kick off due to the fact they prefered to watch another sport.

I wouldn't argue with that. Most of those missing are probably not watching any other sport at the times we're playing regardless of which day we play. What you lose on the swings I think you gain on the roundabouts in this respect. My personal preference is Sunday afternoons, but it's not as strong as it used to be. I've seen every home game so far this year, and expect to do so for the rest of the season.

The biggest problems as I see it are related to marketing and media apathy. I can't recall if it's on this thread or another one but Gutterfax's recent suggestions for targetting local media even if it means spending a bob or two seem sound enough to me. At the moment it just looks like not enough is being done. I also think we need to establish a regular matchday and time for a few years. Sundays would be my personal suggestion if only because so many of our Saturday afternoon fixtures tend to get shifted anyway for one reason or another. (I know some Sunday games would also move to Saturday evenings to suit Sky.) I also think it might help to play on a day when there are fewer other sporting counter-attractions. anyway, I don't think the Saturday/Sunday issue is the biggest factor attendance-wise.

I also feel the whole ticketing and pricing situation is a big negative. There simply has to be a stand or part of a stand with unallocated seating so walk-up ticket purchases can sit together without having to buy together in advance, and whilst I acknowledge the need to minimise staffing costs by closing some stands I think it's shortsighted and short-term to open less than half the seats in the ground. We're effectively sending out the message that we don't expect to get more than 4,000 turning up. The ticket pricing in recent years is another problem IMO. At Griffin Park I think there were always two basis prices - one for the seats and one for the terrace. (There may have been a small number of premium seats in the centre of the stand.) Prices didn't fluctuate, there was a difference of three or for quid between the two and they rose a bit each season. Since we've been at The Stoop the prices have gone up and down like Bill Clinton's trousers. One year existing STHs were offered a generous discount, which when not repeated left them feeling ripped off. Last year there wre ridiculously cheap tickets which were the equivalent of supermarket "value" lines and probably have the subliminal effect of making people think the product must be cheap in every way; instead of attracting newcomers this possibly just encouraged existing STHs to renew at a rock bottom price, and once again they'll have felt cheated now the prices have gone back up again. And finally there are just too many price bands with the cheapest about a third of the price of the dearest to sit in the same stand! Keep it simple - one premium price for reserved seating in the centre blocks near the halfway line and one standard price for unallocated seating in the end blocks or behind the goal.

Do you really think the ticketing has a significant impact on the size of the crowd.

If there are price options them all the better. If you ring up as a newbie and the club offer 6 price ranges that must be good. Im not sure people would think Im not going to watch RL due to this.

Christ it isnt difficult- got a ticket, got a seat, now sit down and watch the game

Disagree, first I don't know about all these price bands, it is not clear at all on the website. I bought my tickets online and from trying in the or on the sides, I had the choice between 25 and 20 quids tickets. It is a lot of money, plus the train ticket from Waterloo for those leaving outside SW London (8 quids). This was clearly an issue when I tried to convince friends to come to the match.

As an indication what do you belive is a reasonable price to pay to see a top flight 80 minute sporting event, minus the travel.

We cant reinburse or weight ticket prices on each individuals travel mode

Sure, but the whole cost is what is taken into account when making the decision to come. I think the cost for my seat on the side should be 15 quids and there should be an entry price for 10 quids, maybe behind the posts. If people want premium seats in the , fine. But the entry prices should be lower.
If the stadium was full I would not say that, but given that the club struggles to attract a large crowd, I think that the pricing should be reconsidered.

We all have our preferences on match day, on where we want to sit, on procing et al

The one things we are all 100% united on is that the number of bums on seats needs to increase. We I suspect are all concerned that nothing whatsoever is appearing to be done to address this issue. It was an issue at the end of last season and 6 months on nothing is being done.

Sadly putting on Karoake after a match is simply not the answer. There is a desperate need to do something. We are argue about what it is but deapite all this the club appear to be pretty inactive in solving it

At the end of the day the responsibility for getting people into the ground lays with the club and its time for action

The MD has come in half way through the season so I suspect this sesaon is now a write off(just a thought, not from experience)

Are there any quick wins?

why do you have the bbqs on saturdays?

Why, do you want to come.

The fundraising is geared around Speedway GP's being on the TV. The people who come are speedway fans, generally about 100 or so and these happen 10 times per year

I could of course have a chat with the FIM and see if on Quins home match days they wouldn't mind changing them

On the other hand why I have them on Saturdays is not anybody elses business

Am i right? next home game on sunday?

so Saturdays are fine for speedway?

For goodness sake, its happens 400 yards from my house which is about 60 miles closer than Quins, happens at 6pm although preparation starts at 3pm and its a worldwide sport which is dictated to in terms of timing by TV. Its completely irrelevant.

The 10 BBQ's we do are meetings from countries other than the UK.

Maybe I could send you my wekly Saturday itinary and you can examine my private life a bit further and see whether you approve of my movements

You are still ignoring the issue which is not me but the shocking crowds and the fact that nothing is being done. Still I bet its far more exiting worrying about what I do on a Saturday

but Saturdays are fine for speedway?

And how much media publicity and attendance does speedway attract?

At Gp's, an average of 20,000 at each event, at the British GP at Cardiff, around 45,000

There are of course 3 leagues of speedway in the UK, 9 in the top flight, 14 in the 2nd Division and 10 in the 3rd level and do you know what ?

Not one of them chooses to ride their meetings at the same time as other more popular sporting events in the same city

Average crowds at a league meeting, anything from 4000 to 800 ! Each club rides at home every week. When we had speedway in Oxford it NEVER rode at the same time as Oxford United

Oh dear you are struggling to get it aren't you ?

Speedway is not consciously choosing to compete with other sporting events in the same city at the same time

In fact I cannot think of another sport that does

For a starter- What about Rugby Union and in particular Harlequins

What about Cricket, Ice Hockey..........

cheese burgers? speedway? semi-pro soccer? anything else you put ahead of RL? knitting?

Pro soccer that gets more fans going away that Quins at home.

As for the BBQ's, its charity fund raising you prat

Its my choice to put those ahead of RL and to be honest its got f**k all to do with you. You make your choices in life and I will make mine. Its not your business to question what I do.

The points I continue to make are not about me, simpltons like yourself have decided to personalise it. I actually want Quins RL to be around for years to coem because then at some point I can return.

You keep your head in the hand and convince yourself that everything is rosy.

this is the Market we should be going after

cheese burgers

Children play nicely

Pardon me? I don't think any one on here at all believes everything is rosy with Quins RL!!!!