There's been some geniunely interesting and insightful comments made on this thread in the last few pages - welcome to the board wisezola. You've raised some issues around Powell's experience and background that I think are valid, but looking at it another way, 'everyone has to start somewhere' and he is the same person who was presumably able to motivate his players in early victories over the likes of Leeds and Saints last season. So it could be argued both ways.

'progress' is a nebulous after two games IMO. There were encouraging signs last week, and yesterday less so. As has been said, we were never going to win these two. Hull next week a much better indicator of 'progress'.

It feels very odd being the one telling everyone to stop being negative

What makes a good coach-I suspect there isnt a one fits all criteria.

McRea, McGuire, Kear were all teachers at some point- Does a coach need "industry" experience to understand and be able to work with people

Bellamy, McGuire etc all did a long appreticeships working under top coaches

Playing experience- do you need it?

I have questioned from Day 1 if RP can buck that trend in that he hasnt worked in industry, hasnt played the game and has only worked under Mac-Does he really have a chance? I hope so but wonder.

OK `progress` over a 2 week period may be pushing it, but given the change/improvement in players compared to the last season, can you honestly say that RP was able to improve matters last season or whether there is any noticable difference in the defensive qualities that RP has been able to instill in his new charges?

I always thought that RP was a poor choice and I have no faith in his abilities as a coach.

Regarding fitness, a few seasons back we had a reputation for being a 40 - 60 minute side and Bill Pedan was brought in to raise fitness levels, he managed to do that even if we were crap on the pitch. We now seem to have deteriated and at present can only compete for 20 - 30 mins, which does not bode well.

We have a new fitness guru who has worked under John Lang for 15 years!!! arent all things Aus in this game great

www.youtube.com/watch?v=4ue7Ub7U ... ideo_title Some quality tries from Wire. The speed and width they use is tremendous The young lad on the Broncos wing was targetted

www.youtube.com/watch?v=4ue7Ub7U ... ideo_title Some quality tries from Wire. The speed and width they use is tremendous The young lad on the Broncos wing was targetted

I didn't expect us to win. However I was expecting us to be more competitive. To concede 50 points is embarrassing particularly if we have any pretentions to a top 8 place. Wire did not in the regular season last year post 50 points on any club getting into the top 8. In facd they lost to both the Hull clubs who finished 7th and 8th. Out of the bottom 6 only Salford didn't concede 50 points at Wire, in fact they won.

Just back after a long weekend up north. First half wasn't too bad, the second half was depressing. I thought Wire were excellent for much of the match, but thought they knocked off a bit in the second half to my eyes - something Wire supporting friends agreed with. If we are correct that makes the second half capitulation even more embarrassing.

Our inability to keep ourselves out of penalty trouble was only ever going to hurt us, throw in the knock ons etc and we were making it rather impossible for ourselves. Our style at times seemed to be a little too much like the Tony Rea spoiling tactics of old. I didn't much like it then and still don't like it.

Our attack did worry me a little. We seemed to be a bit too obvious today and rarely looked like scoring. In fact we rarely looked like posing questions never mind scoring. Hopefully that was due to Wire being just too good and not a problem for the whole season. There was certainly a contrast between Wires offloading and our lack of offloading.

I spent Saturday evening watching my ice hockey team lose 9-1 in Manchester and my football team lost 5-1 at home to their local rivals on Sunday. All in all a weekend to forget on the sporting front for me.

Didn't travel to Warrington so can't comment too much, but if fitness was a problem then I'm concerned. The new fitness coach was at Huddersfield last season so should know what he's doing.

If it's any consolation the "fantastic" length of the field Ratchford try should definitely have been disallowed. Penalty for obstruction after he caught it and set of.

I'm a believer in letting fitness improve over the season rather than hitting round 1 at peak and failing to sustain it. I'm happy to leave the new guy - someone with 15-20 years' experience with elite athletes - to get on with preparing the players in whichever way he see fit.

That said, I don't think we should be making life harder for the forwards by opting for a back on the bench and using just three props.

Agreed.....we need 4 forwards on the bench - end of.

We have cover within the starting 13 should a back take a knock - e.g. Clubb, Bailey, Cook - would just be a case of shifting a few things about, which although not ideal isn't impossible to sort.

The issue of only having 3 forwards on the bench is always going to result in the same thing - knackered performance in the second half. Especially as we're down to 10 interchanges this season, we're expecting the forwards to work even harder.

Well let`s hope he has got his act together by round 25, just in time for the last couple of rounds......that will show everyone we mean business. Will be just the lift needed for next years season ticket sales......oh hang on, the increased fan base and ticket sales was meant to be this year

The positivity after the Saints game didn't last long, Uts

Bronco Billy - the Manly team were at the Wire game too (are you looking for a refund on your train tix for Hull yet?)

Agree it was a disappointing result and the second half sounded v poor indeed. Thought the days of us getting hammered were over.

With 9 new players in the team plus Howell who hasn't played for 7 months (and only played 14 games last year anyway) it was always going to be a tough ask playing the best team in the league (we must have the toughest start of all teams Thanks RFL)

Think we would have more of an idea of how we are if we had played the teams that are in the same boat as us (Wakey and Widnes who also have new teams).

Let's see how things are start of April.

It worked for Leeds last year with Peacock and MGuire hitting form post there injuries just in time for the playoffs

We only lost to Hull FC at home and the salford game we lost had about 9 players from our first team playing for england or the Exiles the night before.

Thinking that we will morph into Leeds at some stage in the season is just stretching optimism a tad too far

The team we beat twice last year, Uts?

Hey stop putting in positive comments (where`s a mod when you need one?)..........this is meant to be a miserable thread where we can all wallow in our grief at getting yet another stuffing!!

If only we had a great coach like Brian Mac...

oof....that's a difficult one to let go....

We can only dream of having a coach of McDermott's calibre in the near future.

Why hasn't Sarginson played in either of the first two games, injured or not selected?

More "Nightmare" than any dream!

Dan had wrist surgery and is still recovering.