J buzza you are joking I assume?

You assume wrong. My understanding was that ruck simply constitutes the players involved in the tackle and subsequent play the ball. Once a tackle is complete (i) the player in possession cannot be moved from the point where the tackle is effected and (ii) the tackled player must be immediately released and not be touched until the ball is in play. The only thing I am aware of that affects how long players have to release once the tackle is completed is if the tackle is deemed dominant. Does that still exist ? I don't know that I have noticed refs calling it.

If an attacking player has won the ruck, the attacker will get a quick ptb, if the defender has won the ruck he will be rewarded with longer time to release.
So yes
Surrender and dominant tackles are different. You will hear surrender more than dominant.

There is also the attempt to regain there feet
Watch london players! Even if they win the ruck, eg moving fwd landing on knees and elbows it’s very unusual they try to get to there feet quick.

The game against Wigan, it was a definite ploy from London to push the boundaries to test the ref, soon as they got the warning it stopped. Inexperience with some london players is obvious at times, they don’t even try to stand! If they did they force the refs hand.

Classic example was leeds game in the 8s Dixon made 40 mtrs, got tackled, defender held on, why no penalty? Dixon made no attempt, if he had, chances are that would have been penalty and yellow card

Statistics show london and Catalans get penalised more!
Facts show on Sunday against Wigan london got penalised less! Discuss!

One swallow doesn't make it Spring..... across the season we will be one of the two most pinged sides in SL, with Catalan being the other.

Is that something the refs use judgement on (i.e. make up as they go along) because as far as I can see it isn't covered in the rules.

The point is dog, this thread is the wigan game. Fact in that game london got penalised less than wigan.
Buzza, yes the decision on the tackle is the refs call, no they are not making it up. There are lots of things that are not in the rules!

I remember years back on Sky Phil Clarke talked about this issue and he was quite clear about it - every single season those London & Catalans get awarded less penalties than - and at the same time get penalised more than - every other team in SL. Clarke said the clubs had raised it with the RFL (Stuart Cummings was in charge at the time - awful ref, awful refs boss and awful pundit) and he admitted it was happening every season but said there was nothing they could do about it. They didn't even want to look at it to see why it was happening.

But sure, you can talk about one game where it went the other way and London got more penalties.

But the rules clearly do say that the tackled player shall be immediately released. So refs are making their own interpretation of when the tackled player must be released based on their view of who has won the ruck. This certainly leads to inconsistency and possibly for bias.

Buzza, it may say that, but the way the laws are applied reward good play and are applied appropriately.

The law on tackle may say immediately, actually sometimes that’s not physically possible. So that law cannot be applied 100%
So how quickly a player has to stand,is at the refs call! Yes they reward good defence,yes they reward good attack. If you don’t like it, that’s unfortunate, it’s the game.
So yes it’s how the referee interpreters each tackle to make the call! They do it through training, through experience and common sense, if that’s making it up in your view, then yep they make it up!
As long as they do the same for both teams the same then that’s all you can ask for.

What did london get penalised for? Generally slowing ptb down one way or another, why? They were pushing the boundaries. What did wigan get penalised for, other offences that come from a quick ptb! Eg defence peddling backwards.
Could both teams have been penalised more!?Certainly, why were they not? That discussion has already been had! In a nutshell play on issometimes the greater advantage.
Was the ref biased towards wigan? If that’s what you choose to think, fine. If so the count would not have been whatit was

10k to watch the current champions and the self proclaimed big name of the sport. Shocking.

Woods and Ralf are killing the sport

The RFL and poor refs are killing the game

The RFL and refs are killing the game. Yet super gates on average are up! Tv figures are up. Championship attendances areup 23%
Shocking!

Oh yes really. They are inaccurate as they dont include London. I know we were not in SL last year but Widnes were. You cannot include / ignore teams to massage figures. Where is the data to support these statements.

Championship numbers up by 23% london are not in the championship.
Every other team in SL numbers are increased, does not look like a sport that Is being killed.
Oh yes london broncos crowd numbers are up on last year

Last season the Super League average attendance figures were down, with only two clubs increasing their crowds. St Helens and Hull FC.
This years figures with some massaging are reported have increased. Let us see how things work out come seasons end.
The TV figures being up with the TV deal approaching, must be good news.

1. If you replace London with Bradford, then yeah, I'd wager my house they'd be up......both based on the Bradford Home gates as well as their visits to their Yorkshire cousins. If Bradford go up/down, what are the odds the championship crowds will plummet (unless wigan or leeds go down that is

)
2. Season to date has seen like for like gates over the weeks as being down on the same games last year....
3. London Broncos Crowds are abysmal by comparison to the pre-Hughes era. Being up from being 3 figures is hardly an achievement......8k to 2.5 k for Wigan...let's cheer-lead some more
4. The game is being led by a handful of SL chairmen, who ripped control from the RFL and I have no doubt who intend to pull up the drawbridge in an attempt to secure another average TV deal.....it's not about the number of viewers, nor is it about the fans on the terraces....it's about the demographic of the viewers/fans and how much SKY or any other broadcaster can get for the advertising spots......we're foxy bingo, other sports are Landrover.......you figure it out

Have the included Bradford in the championship figures unlike London in the SL figures?

Why would they not include bradford

For the same reason SL didnt include London

Why bradford?
Why did you not mention York? They came up as champions

Because he was pointing out hypothetical scenarios

He wasn't he was pointing out fact. The Broncos were missed of the current count fact! Its says it at the bottom

Thanls for answering for someone else!
Still interested in why bradford not York.
If you were wanting a realistic view of if there is an actual increase in championship you would not count Widnes!