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| Quote ="wantawin"Esher are building a new stand as far as I know they have planning and building should start imminently. AFC Wimbledon are hoping to move back to Plough Lane which means they will want to sell Kingsmedow I doubt if K's have the money to buy the stadium back as they sold to AFC because they had financial problems.
I do not think Kingsmedow could be developed into a 5000 seat stadium let alone 10,000 there is not much land around the pitch.'"
I thought Plough Lane had houses built on it?
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| Quote ="Perry"Yet again, twisting and mis-representing my words to suit your own agenda.'"
Really?
Let us examine the chain of comments so you can point out where I twisted and mis-represented your words shall we:
Quote Quote ="Jim Pooley"It's a pretty nice area'"
Quote ="Perry"Belying your remoteness again. It's next to one of the worst estates in west London.'"
Quote ="Jim Pooley"1. Actually, the estate is on the eastern side of the tracks, the ground is on the western side....,
2. RL has its roots in council estates and working class areas......or have you not been north of late
3. Everywhere in london is within a Driver and a wedge of a dodgy estate......even Twickenham had one, as did Brentford.
4. Remoteness? And you say you're not part of a clique?
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So...to recap: I say it's a nice area, you point out it's near a council estate. I respond by giving a brief geographical breakdown of where it is in regards to the estate and point out that both Brentford and Twickenham were similar whilst reminding you of the roots of the game of RL not being put down in leafy suburbs......
How exactly is this twisting or mis-representing your words?
Quote ="Perry"I thought Plough Lane had houses built on it?'"
Quote ="Perry"Belying your remoteness again.'"
[url=http://www.redevelopingploughlane.co.uk/our_proposalsBOOM[/url
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| Plough Lane does have houses on it. That development is next door.
I can confirm that I have seen this with my own eyes having lived around the corner for 2 years not long ago.
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| Quote ="Dave Lister"Plough Lane does have houses on it. That development is next door.
I can confirm that I have seen this with my own eyes having lived around the corner for 2 years not long ago.'"
Correct...but the Plough Lane Stadium they are looking to redevelop doesn't......it's the dog track at Plough Lane.
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| Quote ="Jim Pooley"Correct...but the Plough Lane Stadium they are looking to redevelop doesn't......it's the dog track at Plough Lane.'"
Ummm, you jumped on Perry's post, claiming he was wrong, when in fact he was completely correct.
Plough Lane Stadium closed in the 90's and now has houses on it. Fact. The Wimbledon Stadium isn't Plough Lane Stadium. It isn't particularly complicated.
HTH.
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| Quote ="Dave Lister"Ummm, you jumped on Perry's post, claiming he was wrong, when in fact he was completely correct.
Plough Lane Stadium closed in the 90's and now has houses on it. Fact. The Wimbledon Stadium isn't Plough Lane Stadium. It isn't particularly complicated.
HTH.'"
Indeed it isn't difficult, well not for a reasonably intelligent person to google Wimbledon returning to plough lane and to discover that Wimbledon are indeed looking to return to plough lane.....they even say they are 'coming home"
[urlhttp://www.redevelopingploughlane.co.uk/afc_wimbledon_s_return[/url
My mirth had little to do with the fact that there were indeed houses on the old site, but more to do with Perry, being "local", as opposed to 12,000 miles away and unqualified to make any comments on the advances made at the Broncos.....and yet not knowing that the planned redevelopment was of the dog stadium and surrounding area.
HTH!
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| Years of travelling to games. Never thought I'd need to bring my own seat with me, at least my fold up chair has a slot for a can. Next stop the pitches on Clapham Common? Whether the nature of the squad for next year makes me feel any different, but at this point underwhelmed if this happens and more likely to leave it to others.
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| Quote ="Perry"I thought Plough Lane had houses built on it?'"
Apparently the are closing the dog track and developing the area for the AFC stadium, housing and shops.
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| Quote ="Jim Pooley"Indeed it isn't difficult, well not for a reasonably intelligent person to google Wimbledon returning to plough lane and to discover that Wimbledon are indeed looking to return to plough lane.....they even say they are 'coming home"
[urlhttp://www.redevelopingploughlane.co.uk/afc_wimbledon_s_return[/url
My mirth had little to do with the fact that there were indeed houses on the old site, but more to do with Perry, being "local", as opposed to 12,000 miles away and unqualified to make any comments on the advances made at the Broncos.....and yet not knowing that the planned redevelopment was of the dog stadium and surrounding area.
HTH!'"
Enough already again - back to ignore/foe status.
I'd appreciate it if folk who have to debate with him use a minimal amount of quoting.
Thanks.
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| Quote ="Perry"It's next to one of the worst estates in west London.'"
Quote ="Jim Pooley"1. Actually, the estate is on the eastern side of the tracks, the ground is on the western side....,
2. RL has its roots in council estates and working class areas......or have you not been north of late'"
I use the word "worst" and you change it to "council" to infer some sort of snobbery on my part.
I talk about it being in west London, and you talk about it being on the east side of the tracks, to infer some sort of gegraphical ignorance, despite the two facts being completely unrelated.
It's very subtle and insidious how you twist a person's words to suit your own agenda. But you are twisting them.
Quote ="Jim Pooley"So...to recap: I say it's a nice area, you point out it's near a council estate.'" No I did not, as explained above.
Quote ="Jim Pooley"I point out that both Brentford and Twickenham were similar whilst reminding you of the roots of the game of RL not being put down in leafy suburbs......'" More sly inference, you won't find anything in my words suggesting that RL started in leafy suburbs.
Quote ="Jim Pooley"How exactly is this twisting or mis-representing your words?'" See the above.
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| Quote ="Dave Lister"Plough Lane does have houses on it....'"
Thanks for the answer. I should also thank you for acknowledging that we're allowed to ask a question, some seem to have a problem with that.
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| Quote ="Perry"Thanks for the answer. I should also thank you for acknowledging that we're allowed to ask a question, some seem to have a problem with that.'"
I have a question then.
In your opinion and based on the [u factual data [/uavailable, how much has the improved engagement with the fans (note...not the clique) improved things for the club as a viable professional business.
Please also refer to the number of long term fans on here who have said that if the club move to Trailfinders Sports Grounds, that they will no longer follow them even though they are now apparently re-engaged and to St Joey of Parra in referencing the newfound engagement, as it is he who you hold 100% responsible for the players and fans interacting at the end of a game.
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| Quote ="Jim Pooley"I have a question then.'"
If I answer it, do I have to make your question part of my signature?
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| Quote ="Perry"If I answer it, do I have to make your question part of my signature?'"
No...because factually Wimbledon are returning to and developing plough lane
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| Anyone know when there is likely to be any real news on this? Rather than a couple of bits of (currently) rumour or mates mates info. I'm in denial and trying to stay in the don't tell me it's true camp.
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| Quote ="Southern Reiver"Anyone know when there is likely to be any real news on this? Rather than a couple of bits of (currently) rumour or mates mates info. I'm in denial and trying to stay in the don't tell me it's true camp.'"
In asked forbconfirmation from the rfl (same source who gave me the accounts of the club and who told me about the hive) and they confirmed it
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So no to the date for clarity from the club. Don't doubt your source but info on new location or just leaving the hive? I just hope as others do that it's more than just as tenants but everything beforehand suggests not. Well at least Blacks (there are other camping specialists) have a sale on folding chairs. www.blacks.co.uk/equipment/tents ... rs-stools/ I might even go for the lounger.
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So no to the date for clarity from the club. Don't doubt your source but info on new location or just leaving the hive? I just hope as others do that it's more than just as tenants but everything beforehand suggests not. Well at least Blacks (there are other camping specialists) have a sale on folding chairs. www.blacks.co.uk/equipment/tents ... rs-stools/ I might even go for the lounger.
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Quote ="Southern Reiver"So no to the date for clarity from the club. Don't doubt your source but info on new location or just leaving the hive? I just hope as others do that it's more than just as tenants but everything beforehand suggests not. Well at least Blacks (there are other camping specialists) have a sale on folding chairs. www.blacks.co.uk/equipment/tents ... rs-stools/ I might even go for the lounger.'"
The club approached the rfl to ask if trailfinders sports ground was OK.......that's all in was told.
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The club approached the rfl to ask if trailfinders sports ground was OK.......that's all in was told.
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| ....how long can you flog a dead horse? I think I would rather see this club fold and rebuilt from the ground up again (Just look at Sheffield Eagles)
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| Quote ="Jim Pooley"No...because factually Wimbledon are returning to and developing plough lane
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Except factually they aren't. The proposal is to redevelop Wimbledon Stadium. Plough Lane has got houses on it, as established on here earlier.
You're all facts and stats while you're trying to bully posters off this forum, but you ignore the facts quick enough when it suits you. Same old, same old.
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| Quote ="Partisan"....how long can you flog a dead horse?...'"
Depends how big a deviant you are
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| Quote ="Perry"Except factually they aren't. The proposal is to redevelop Wimbledon Stadium. Plough Lane has got houses on it, as established on here earlier.
You're all facts and stats while you're trying to bully posters off this forum, but you ignore the facts quick enough when it suits you. Same old, same old.'"
Bless.....bully people off this forum.
Fact.....Wimbledon are returning to plough lane.
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| Quote ="Jim Pooley"Bless.....bully people off this forum.
Fact.....Wimbledon are returning to plough lane.'"
Could we please get back on to the topic mate?
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| Perry. Just realise that 3, 5, 6 and 7 were just played out in the last 2 pages talking to you.
1. Has a grandiose sense of self-importance (e.g., exaggerates achievements and talents, expects to be recognsed as superior without commensurate achievements).
2. Is preoccupied with fantasies of unlimited success, power, brilliance, beauty, or ideal love.
3. Believes that he or she is “special” and unique and can only be understood by, or should associate with, other special or high-status people (or institutions)
4. Requires excessive admiration.
5. Has a sense of entitlement, i.e., unreasonable expectations of especially favourable treatment or automatic compliance with his or her expectations.
6. Is interpersonally exploitative, i.e., takes advantage of others to achieve his or her own ends.
7. Lacks empathy: is unwilling to recognize or identify with the feelings and needs of others.
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