Yeah...funny that. I must have been dreaming this year when they filled Wembley and got all the associated media coverage


I believe their average this year (excluding wembley) is over 6k......that's twice ours.

It's about the long game.......and while DH wastes 1.5 million a year on payers that nobody knows or cares about, Sarries are all over it like a rash.

[urlhttp://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/rugby-union/18969634[/url
[code"Over the past three years, the club has made outstanding progress in terms of team performance on the field, building a strong global profile and securing a home ground.

"We are now starting to realise our commercial potential. This deal represents a massive step forward for Saracens," said club chairman Nigel Wray. [/code

Gus viewed that piece of real estate earlier this year IIRC.......you snooze, you lose!

That figure is padded with loads of freebies.

Fair do's though.

Their marketing team know what they're doing if they've conned Allianz on board.

The Irony of the above statement is not lost on me, nor Gus, nor anyone else who follows London Broncos. Furthermore, I have never seen an offer for a free ticket.....yes, I have seen them for a fiver, but never free.
I refer you to our facebook page, which if you trawl through it, includes many many hundreds of fans from Huddersfield, who jumped on the "if w get to x number of likes it's free entry for all" I believe there are a few Castleford fans in there as well.....as well as the mystery couple of thousand that magically appeared during the season...yet you want to slag off 83,761 fans at one game

..Harlequins RL managed 84,553.....over TWENTY F**KING SIX HOME GAMES IN 2010 AND 2011!



Conned? Serioulsy......do you believe that a company the size of Allianz have had the wool pulled over their eyes?



Get the blinkers off.......for all the group self gratification going on after the binning of the coach, we are at the foot of the table, with less fans than last year and we still don't know where (or even if) we will be playing our homes games next year.....the club is a shambles.

I am amazed that anyone connected with or who supports the London Broncos feels comfortable throwing snide comments at Sarries

Indeed.

Even though i would love Broncos at Copthall for purely selfish reasons, would they have rugby league there even if Broncos wanted to play there?

They're having a pitch similar to Widnes' pitch so there are no pitch issues, but would the locals let them play?

They're already up in arms that Saracens were given permission, so sticking the 13-16 extra fixtures may upset them.

Would Sarries want Broncos there, would Broncos actually even want to go there?

London RL owe David Hughes something like 8,000,000 over the last 5 or 6 years.....you have to ask yourself, WHERE has that money been well spent?

2007-2012
156 SL games, 48 wins (30%), 4 draws and 104 losses....average score a 19-29 loss. Average finishing position, 11th with 16 points and 15% less fans at home games.......

....seriously....why would anyone have a pop at a Union club who in the same space of time make us look like the clusterf**k that we are



As for us playing there as tenants........yeah, let's swap one ground for another rather than face the cold hard facts





The only positive with a move to Barnet as tenants would be that Moe and Jaybs would still have a 4 hr round journey to games

Before it was all finalised they could have offered to buy in to the idea, took some of the burden of building costs and been part owners, can't ever see the Broncos in their own home.

the question has to be asked why would sarries want a partner...especially one with the worst current record for business management in professional club rugby of either code...and I include Bradford in that statement!

Sarries attract 83k to a game...raise the national and international profile of the club.....and have now attracted a major sponsor...yet they are to be riddiculed?

The New London Broncos attract 1,970 to a game, have no local profile, let alone national and have attracted a local building supply company for the final 25% of the season.......please tell me that everyone can spot the difference?

Interesting statement of intent from Salford Recently.......
[urlhttp://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/rugby-league/18577880[/url
[size=200"This club has got to be led by sales and marketing,"[/size

and people still ask why so few people post on here now.

Saffercens are almost as much a failure as Broncos crowd wise they just market themselves better.

For example next season their average attendance will be swelled by a "home game" played in Northampton's patch.

Clever stuff admittedly but they're just a busted flush of a different kind.

The Enron of rugby if you will.

A forum is somewhere for debate and discussion......the discussion here is where will we play next year and whilst someone highlighted the excellent job being done by sarries, someone else tried to deride it.....quoting free tickets and special offers.....I pointed out we should be so lucky.
Sorry if the idea of a debate upsets you.

WTF?
Seriously??

I have shown how they got a few hundred less for 1 game than Quins RL did in 2 entire seasons and you still want to have a pop?

Without the Wembley game, they still average twice the size gate that the London SL team gets.....yet you still reckon they're crap?

8,000,000 off the cost of their OWN STADIUM whilst the Broncos are resigned to another year of tenancy and nomadic existance.


I don't have an endless supply of Irony meters...please think of that before you post on this topic again...

Marketing wise they're geniuses.

Managing to parlay crowds made up of McFly fans, & similar type eventers, into a stadium paid for by a multi-national is mightily impressive.

It's all smoke & mirrors though.

They're failing upwards like Enron & one day it will go tits up.

Boom......there goes another irony meter.

& <woosh> there's you missing the point again.

I fully acknowledge that Broncos are an abject & dismal failure both on & off the pitch.

But even with all their marketing expertise Saracens are still a failure off the pitch.

They just look like a success which is why they're able to attract investment.

Hence the Enron analogy.

PS Seems even world class flim flam has its limits. www.saracens.com/news/view.php?Id=5174 Still nice to know Gus isn't the only CEO making wild crowd claims they couldn't deliver.

PS Seems even world class flim flam has its limits. www.saracens.com/news/view.php?Id=5174 Still nice to know Gus isn't the only CEO making wild crowd claims they couldn't deliver.

Lets be honest, we'd all be happy if the club were failure with 6,000 fans like Saracens, rather than a terribly run shambles with 1,000 fans.

I also don't understand how a move to Barnet would be worthwhile. What's the point in moving from being in bed with one RU team to moving to be in bed with another RU team? Thousands of Harlequins RU fans never bothered to turn up so why Saracens fans?

Also, from my poor knowledge of RU, I believe that Harlequins have higher attendances at the Stoop than Saracens get at Watford so why would moving make any sense?

Saracens would also be happy with crowds of 6,000.

That figure will include the 55,000 who turned up to the London Double Header at Twickenham and the thousands of free tickets they gave away to season ticket holders for the Biarritz Heineken Cup game.

Having just found some info on Saracens attendances last year, their highest attendance at Watford was 7,555 and their lowest was 5,799. Everyone involved with London RL would bite your arm off for those figures for the Broncos in 2013.

For the 12 home (at Watford) European cup and league games, their average was 6,667. If the three LV Cup games are factored in that will fall as it is effectively not far off a second team competition. If the three games at Wembley and Twickenham are included the average almost triples to 17,351!

To his credit GF didn't include the massed ranks of McFly fans in his attendance figures.

& given the fact Saffercens have scaled down their ambitions to a 10,000 capacity stadium neither do they.

...give him time.

Oh I dunno..if a certain multi national takes on all the marketing, 'buys' 80% of the tickets to give away in online comps, while the club touts the rest at reduced prices they may get close to full house signs each wk..tho it wont be the 15k that Nigel Wray suggested as the number teh saffacens needed to break even....

jd......don't often see you in these parts.

Interesting assumptions on how sarries will fill their ground.....did Quins RU go from 3k to 14k in 5 years doing the same thing?....the anti-union slant in this thread is shining through.....let's larf at the bigger and more successful code to hide our own games failings



Fact remains that Saracens, through whatever means, have an average attendance twice (or more) that, or more, of the London Broncos RL team....are building their own 10,000 seater stadium and have just recouped 40% of the cost for that is sponsorship.
As for the McFly event.....how anyone can rubbish the achievement and the associated publicity is beyond me....how a supporter of our club can dismiss it, points to insanity.

Nostalgic......you comment on the claims in 2009 that 15,000 fans per game was mentioned.....
2009/10 = 24,030 =#FF00003,380
2010/11 = 10,607 =#FF00003,124
2011/12 = 22,675 =#FF00003,020

33 home games over 3 seasons.......about 18k a game average....=#FF00003,166

The above Sarries attendance stats include double header events as well as a couple of Wembley events....feel free to claim free tickets if you must. The figures in red are.......well.......you know what they are and they too include DOUBLE HEADERS AND FREE TICKETS

Nope.

They built from the bottom up which is why they attract genuinely good crowds all of the time.

Whereas Saffercens rely on OTR games to pad their attendance and look good to sponsors.

Apparently they're even contemplating a game in Belgium.

Aye, I only go where the best ppl ppl are gf

and the amount of stupid on the main board at the moment is making mah eyes hurt



Nope, quins used a dodgy coach and coaching 'methods' to create on field success, which in turn led to increased crowds which the marketing teams exploited..amirite.


Would that particular company view Rugby League as a suitible partner for its UK aspirations? I would suggest it would'nt. Evar.


You forget the Rock Choir...all 1,500 of em.

C'mon gf, we've done the 'something special happening at saffacens' before....In 2009, Edward Griffiths stated the Saffacens could no longer "flatline" on an 8,500K average attendance...After 3 yrs and milions of *ponds lost on the Wembley game there new stadium has a 10 k cap...money well spent in your opinion?

*Edit: I meant pounds...ribbit.