it highlights how lame and predictable we've become. We also have no speed from dummy half - Rinaldi was a disaster when he came on, ponderous - and underlines how much we miss Andy Ellis who gave us a genuine attacking edge.

Massive, massive worries after yesterday.

BOOM!

Should have never ever been a red card, was an awesome hit. Your players didn't even react and were even consoling Sam as he got the red. Awful decision.

Its only when you watch the replays that you see he hit him in the face because it happened so fast. Thats why they didn't protest!

Rinaldi might have protested, but a massive Tongan thug had knocked him out cold.

Weve gone backwords at Hooker by not making sure we kept Ellis. We offer no threat there now in a pivotal position. Did either of them go through a gap in the whole game?

Even with the replay it is difficult to see the exact point of contact however, 100% certain it's not the face.

The point I can't get over is Sliverstick didn't have the best view, didn't have a replay, didn't have a slowmo zoom cam etc and saw enough for a red card???? not sure about that!!

Agreed - other than Randalls looped pass for Robertsons try, and Rinaldi complaining when he dropped the ball, they offered absolutely nothing, other than predictability. The game play was a short pass from dummy half repeat 5 times and then kick. Ellis would have have at least made the defence think on the odd dash from dummy half.

Out of interest, who would you rate as your top three best performers and top three worst performers - mine

Best - 1 Dixon, 2 Kaufusi, 3 Clubb
Worst - 1 Rodney, 2 Rinaldi, 3 Dorn

My top 3 are Dixon and Clubb

Mine too. Clubb needs to lay off the pies...

Someone needs to teach our centres how to maintain a deep attacking line. Example, there isn't any point in Dorn looping around behind dummy runners if JOC or Howell have overrun him by 2 yards. Even Clubb could manage it.

What did Howell, one of our most experienced, and well paid i've been told, players do?

With regards to those calling for Ellis etc, we could have Roby at hooker and it would make no difference as our play the balls are so slow. The markers have ages to set while our players climb to their feet.

Well said Mr Lister.

Indeed - I agree with Listy as well. The first half was just depressing - back to the worst of last year, and with all the "wonderful new players" we are supposed to have, it stuck in the throat a bit. Good to see some passion come out when Moa was sent off, however, it was all rather too little too late. Powell needs to sort it out, I don't hold my breath.

I hope that the passion shown in the last 15-20 minutes is used by the coaching staff to show the players what they are capable of, and to be honest, they will need to or else Fart-own will build up a big score next Sunday.

Nowt

Same old. He's been a waste of space for too long and should have been given his marching orders at the end of last season

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To be fair to him he didn't exactly get the ball often did he, you could count on one hand the amount of set moves we put on along the line.

I don't think Howell is finished just yet.

What do you see in him that no-one else does?

Poor in attack and defence, offered nothing at all

As someone has pointed out, he gets given next to no decent ball. Can't really argue with the defensive side of things but Keith Senior was terrible defensively and did OK with his career.

Thought this was a forum where things were debated ?You should all thank Moa,he let you into the game after being sent off.

If you've still got the game recorded somewhere check out his lack of hussle for the Moa breakaway/Yeaman try

Can I politely remind everyone that the posting of unauthorised YouTube links (or any other video site for that matter) is not permitted.

I think we should cut the guy some slack...he's only played 160 mins of rugby in the last 8 months.

I guess if he doesn't get up to speed, at least we've got Sargy waiting in the wings.