Pretty much sums up my own feelings. Basically, we've heard it all before. If it all takes a turn for the better this time, it'll be despite all this "rebranding", not because of it. The more times we change our identity, the weaker the identity becomes. No more season tickets for me. I'll be going to the international double header at Wembley next Saturday, but for the club that regenerates more often than Doctor Who it'll just be the occasional visit from now on if I've got nothing else to do. I like the game, but my attachment to this particular club has receded rapidly over the last couple of seasons.

And they say that we're not proper RL fans, there is some world class whinging going on on this thread that matches anything the Northern fans can come up with.

We will always know who the professional whiners! are here, they are Never going to change, so its no use worrying about it, we have to make this fresh start, the past is now the past, we all know that in these next three seasons we have to make it work, if it does not this timem is there going to be a future?

So I just Hope that the majority of us will get behind the club, going to a shirt provider not being in rugby league perhaps we should not have accepted anything special, but with sponsors names on it may change it, St Helens have a total of one major Typhoo and Five others on their new shirt, arms, collar and two on .

The season ticket offer is good, the Cowgirls, the mascots, lets get behind it and give it a chance, we seem to have some Good Players.

I'll do my bit as a Wire in London and buy a shirt, i like them both, let's just hope Pound Stretcher isn't the sponsor.

What he said!

Wooooooooosh.

Am looking forward to buying my first new shirt since the last Broncos one - but I'm going to wait and see who the sponsor is, don't want to wear a shirt with a dodgy sponsors name on it.

Get you! Back in the knife drawer eh?

Decent looking kit. Yes, it looks plain but like previous years the club will be working (hopefully) towards getting at least 2 or 3 sponsors on the shirt. However, it doesn't really look like a Rugby League shirt, I don't really know why but it doesn't.

How people can moan about the on the pitch stuff months after a game has been played and months before the next one is scheduled is beyond me. If anything, the quality of the signings on paper for 2012 is far better than in previous years.

Gower has masses of experience, has won an NRL trophy and is an experienced head in a notoriously young side. Robertson and Rodney will be riding the crest of a wave after winning the NRL last month and have something about them if they were both played in the Grand Final. Michael Witt made the Crusaders tick and scored near enough 175 points in 40 games for them in two years. Antonio Kaufasi has been part of two Grand Final appearing Melbourne sides, Rinaldi is returning to London, Colbon and Cook are still a good age and well, Hickey will keep Greggs' across London running.

Compare those signings with the likes of Ryan Esders, Ben Kaye, Matt Gardner, Mick Nanyn, David Tootill and Joe Walsh's of the past few years and the on the pitch side of things looks more positive than ever.

Dump a couple of sponsors on there and it will.

Nobody as far as I can see is complaining or moaning about the squad. If we had the same sort of squad as the last few years the rebrand would not make a blind bit of difference. Now there is a distinct possibility that we have a competitive team and people will claim that it is result of (in my opinion) a complete waste of time and money going back to an old name.

UTS can you give me any other reason that the Quins thing didn't work other than for most of the time the team were crap.

you haven't had to bare witness to what has become of our fine little club for several years. Attending games and spending loans of cash doing so is painful when it is being ran the way it is.

As for the professional whiners comment, I would love not be able to complain but there is a constant stream of ammunition. There is no point going over why I, and others, think this is a farce, it has been done to death and won't change anything. I'm pleased some people are happy at least.

Under the sticks. It is your type of attitude that winds me up the most. David Hughes can do whatever he likes, and who are we to dispute it? I'm sorry but I can't have that. The club should belong to the supporters. I would rather the club fold without him than go on like it is doing. I have no problems with him for what its worth, I just disagree with his decisions and will not simply bow down to him because he is the one chucking the cash in.

When's the new stadium on the cards?

Spot on Mr Lester



Nothing we ever do will impress Lister!! I pay no attention to him anymore, it's better that way

Underwhelming kit and as for the rest of the launch itself, were we really expecting blanket coverage? With our budget and low profile it was never exactly going to be a major media event.

I look forward to, five years down the line, all the posters who loathed Harlequins RL coming on here and saying 'Its not working, lets change the name, that'll shake things up'

Who says the club has a small budget? I thought Sir Hughes was bankrolling this entire operation?

Plenty of good media coverage, nice one for tomorrows Guardian from Andy Wilson who is really starting to gain respect for our game. www.guardian.co.uk/sport/blog/20 ... on-broncos =#FF0000EDIT: Please don't copy and paste newspaper articles verbatim. A link is enough. Penguin.

Plenty of good media coverage, nice one for tomorrows Guardian from Andy Wilson who is really starting to gain respect for our game. www.guardian.co.uk/sport/blog/20 ... on-broncos =#FF0000EDIT: Please don't copy and paste newspaper articles verbatim. A link is enough. Penguin.

Offiah just said on the road games in east and south east London on Sky

What grounds could we use?

I loved the comment - we have had more regenerations than Doctor Who - classic and true!

Oooooh Yeah We're back



Dont like the kits though

East London Leyton Orient.
South East London probably Palace or Charlton.

An announcement of Shuan Edwards as coach would have been more exciting.