The Public have spoken...I will ease off in the Marketing stuff.......and all the problems off the park will magically vanish.



"Huddlesfield" was always going to be a loss.....2003 was the last time we got anything up there. Leeds is the only team that Powell has a winning record againts....he is 2 wins from 3 played as head coach......will it be the problems up the middle or the ones out wide he mentions to the BBC when discussing the hammering that will be dished out this weekend coming?

kin ell. 48 in one game!!! To give you a comparison the worst count I can recall from my team who were in bottom place and getting tonked each week was in the 30s.

Too many poor players playing first grade.

The coach will get the blame as to why the players are missing tackles of course.

What exactly is the job of a Senior Coach at a Rugby League Club RB? If he is not to take the blame for on-field performances, then who is?

2011 - Dorn, O'Callaghan, Howell, Melling, Randall and Gale were the back in his first game in charge...a win v Catalans...same 6 for the win over Crusaders...and the win over Leeds...the loss to Hudds, same 6. Then, O'Callaghan picked up a knock and was replaced by Calderwood for the win against Saints.
4 Wins out of 5 games.....for the record, that's 45% of his wins as a coach....they say it takes time for a coach to find his feet in a new role.....by week 6, the team obviously started playing the way he wanted...

.......they've won 5 SL games in the last 40 under his coaching.

Dorn, Clubb, Randall, O'Callaghan and Howell are still with us.....4 of them featured in the game with 48 missed tackles.....IIRC the one missing was voted player of the year last year......what's the reason for players of this ilk, who at the start of 2011 were beating champion sides like Leeds, Saints and Catalans have started missing tackles?

It's apparently a done deal that Powell will be shunted back to the accademy coaches role in 2013.....so it would seem that although he's still there now, somebody else agrees with me where the buck stops for on field performances.....with the coach.

Do you think a coach teaches people to miss tackles is the point?

Do you not think things like that get looked at during the week in training?

The buck always stops with a coach, that is never in doubt and he will get the blame. Even when a team doesn't do what they're told, under perform, miss tackles, see things differently on the park etc. etc. Or you just have players that aren't up to the level of other sides. As a spectator we cry for the head of the coach. I've witnessed it. People having a go about things that the coach does actually do but but ain't getting done on the pitch, but It's just the way it is. The players should take a lot of the heat, but they rarely do.

I named 5 players who have ben at the club for the duration...a player...or maybe even 2, will lose form.......the 5 players I mentioned all losing form at the same time is either a freaky coincidence or down to the coach not having the right game plan.

Nobody has ever said the players should be blameless.....but I make no apology for laying 95% (if not more) of the blame at the feet of the coach!


FWIW....my usual waffle is about marketing. Yes, I use stats to make my point in most debates.....but this is because I find opinions are like @rseholes, in that we all have one......... but stats don't lie!

Of course he doesnt but what he should do is

Set up defensive patterns so that players don't get exposed
Don't pick players who are poor tacklers
Create a culture of aggression and wanting to win by which players make tackles at all cost
Make changes to team patterns in the game if certain players are being targeted- ie a 7 by a 12 for example
Coach players how to tackle in a way you want them to tackle
Coach the team how to defend with more than one in the tackle
Slow the opposition down so that your defense is set
Study the opposition and understand the other teams strengths & weakness paying particular attention to their attacking strengths and counter act it



but no you are right he doesnt teach players to miss tackles

What frustrates me and it happened in the Huddersfield match is the number of stupid penalties we give away, often when the match is close. One example at the weekend was conceding a pointless penalty, then on the first tackle concede another!

I am not defending Powell we all seen able to recognise he is completely out of his depth, but the players need to take responsibility on the pitch

5 players apparently losing form is down to a coach not having a right game plan?

You can lay 95% of the blame at the coach as much as you like. It just goes to show you have no idea about what's involved with coaching a top flight club.

Teams nause up, the coach cops it. Is Ivan Cleary a crap coach? He's second from bottom in the NRL, he must be and there's even some sad fans calling for his head. It's just the way it works.

Boosty

What is the coach responsible for? That's probably the easier question for you to answer and us to respond to.

Set up defensive patterns so that players don't get exposed – Don't you think teams do this in training?
Don't pick players who are poor tacklers - This is subject to the availability of our talent pool.
Create a culture of aggression and wanting to win by which players make tackles at all cost - culture setting is a good point WQ
Make changes to team patterns in the game if certain players are being targeted- ie a 7 by a 12 for example - If I understand what you're saying, you don't change your team mid game because your player is their spot player. You may give him a bit of protection when he kicks.
Coach players how to tackle in a way you want them to tackle - Don't you think teams do this in training?
Coach the team how to defend with more than one in the tackle - Don't you think teams do this in training?
Slow the opposition down so that your defense is set - Don't you think teams do this in training?
Study the opposition and understand the other teams strengths & weakness paying particular attention to their attacking strengths and counter act it -Don't you think teams do this in training and from VIDEO work?


Come WQ, you know about the game. Powell not being good enough is purely based on the results. He fails. He goes. End of. Players on the other hand can have a contract. Hypothetically, if 10 of a 25 first grade squad under perform and don't do what they're told or miss tackles, or don't act on what they've learnt from video work, or seem unmotivated in any team and the teams loses and finishes second from bottom, who goes? The coach. Not the players on a contract.

A lot of comments directed at coaching on here are sometimes unfounded as people don't know what happens at training etc. etc. They see the poor results and direct their anger at the person who cops it at the end of the day as results are their responsibility.

WQ, you know what he's responsible for.

Your list suggests that certain things don't happen. How do you know they don't? Purely based on results! People have reasons as to why they think things aren't happening.

At the end of the day, the coach is going. End of really. But some of the misdirected shıt on here at times is exactly that.

Have you looked at the league table ? Have you experienced the total lack of atmosphere ?

The coach is responsible for getting the best out of his players. Is Powell doing that ? I think not.

In that you are absolutely correct.

Boosty

McGuire went to Wigan and with the same squad of players that Noble had completely changed the way they play. The defensive structures he introduced were and remain marvellous and even today is the foundation of their current success-That is an example of what coaches do.

Look at how Long has changed the way the Reds attack. That is what coaches do.

They dont make players miss tackles but what they do is get the best out of players individually and collectively. Powell hasnt got the experience, knowledge, personality, management skills etc to do that.

Tell you what RB.....I may be an arrogant C**K when it comes to marketing, but the post above is as patronising as I've seen on these boards....Powell is 95% to blame for the state the club finds itself in.....and this year, that includes the lack of fans!

But there are obvious things for which Powell IS responsible. Take Will Lovell - a young lad with a bit of promise. Watching the video of the Huddersfield game he starts defending at left centre, later he is defending at 3rd in on the right and at the end he is in the middle unit. He misses tackles. It's just the worst thing you can do to a kid's development.

We don't have a right centre because Powell didn't recruit one for 2012 - instead he picked up a bunch of wingers, same as he (someone else?) is doing for 2013 it seems. The result? Just about everyone has been played out of position there and we've been destroyed down that side of the field. His latest solution? Luke Dorn - 13 tackles, 6 misses. Genuinely, who would think the answer to defending at right centre was Luke Dorn??!

Granted that Powell has problems with a squad which he mostly inherited but he just hasn't solved the problems he's been presented with. He hasn't worked out who to play and where to play them to get the best from the squad. And now he's just guessing. I will open up the possibility that there may not be a coach in the world who can resolve the problems but the question would then be why is someone (and it may not be Powell) re-signing the same players for 2013? There is virtually no wriggle room for new signings and we have some obvious gaps in our squad that need filling.

You make the comparison with Ivan Cleary. Cleary has some positive previous which puts his coaching account in credit - Powell is already overdrawn. Cleary may or may not be getting the best from his squad - I have no idea as I don't watch the NRL anymore. It's obviously possible that a very good coach can be in charge of a very poor squad. But if Cleary is busily re-signing all his 2012 squad for 2013 and imagining that next year it will come good I'd say he was crazy. And that seems to be where the Broncos are right now.

What can I say? All seems concise.

To use a Tony Reaism, there are so many variables in a game. Why do you think this kid went from defending at left centre, to right second row to being jammed in the middle (was he at hooker)?

I can only guess, injuries on the park, at that time, forced the coach's hand. But who knows really?

Re CLeary, it was just more of an indication that even the good coaches have to finish near the bottom at some point (not saying powell is before I get skilleted). Yet he is still a good coach despite the results and the call for his head by some disgruntled fans. Cleary that is.





Yeah, spot on.



Funny how this has grown from one sentence about the appalling missed tackle count ain't it? With GF taking it down the entire responsiblity of a coach route.

[iThe coach will get the blame as to why the players are missing tackles of course.[/i

Rooster is quite correct stating that the coach is not to be blamed for missed tackle and certainly the senior players within the squad should look at themselves and start performing better.

The problem, apart from inexperience Powell has is that he is not a natural leader. And all coaches must be leaders. I know people who deal with Powell and their comments are that he's a nice enough bloke, but nothing special. Says it all...

He is to be blamed. It happens week after week. Look at what McGuire did at Wigan. They dont miss many tackles. He should put in "systems" where by we dont miss tackles. Culture, individual skills, sub unit skill, team skill, drop the offenders,...... whatever it takes

How many missed tackles are down to player error or poor defensive lines? Usually, it's a combination of both, so the coach can get perhaps work on one part and try and improve the tacker technique as well.

However, tackling is sometimes more about commitment than technique - as there are times when you just have to throw yourself at someone and hope you stop them or slow then down enough! If the players don't have the guts and/or technique to tackle then they have to look at themselves, they're professionals.

Coaches get too much blame for poor application of skills. However, I do accept that good coaches will always produce better teams as the players want to play as well as they can for their coach and this is what Powell lacks. He's not a leader, so the players aren't doing what they should for him

I think in essence we are all saying the same thing in a roundabout way!!!

Clarky showed our stats at about 80 odd % tackle rate which I didnt react to. When he said that equates to 48 tackles missed I nearly fell of my chair. He then showed two examples of simple one on ones being missed.

48 tackles is one good players tackles in a game-hooker for example

Haven't seen Roy Haggerty post for a while, this thread should be right up his alley...

Lets be fair. You don't know that the coach ain't doing that, do you? You're just presuming that because it appears to happen a lot, he can't be. Which at a full time professional RL club would be nonsensical.

If they address it in training, week on week, what else can any coach do?



Why doesn't someone go up to the coach and ask him what he does about the large volume of missed tackles and how that's addressed? Then post what he says on here.

Have you read some of his post match comments on the BBC? Straight answers to questions are something that have become as rare as hens teeth as the season has progressed........the TW2 Towers hatches seem to have been well and truly battened down!

Absolutely right, I get that he is a bad coach but he could answer questions and talk to people in a better way. If his player man management is anything like the way he talks to fans I certainly would not want to play for him. The longer he stays and continues with his attitude the more my personal dislike for the bloke grows which was never there before.
It is his fault most of what's going wrong, demote him right away to start the preparations for '13