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| Quote ="jaybs"and will those clubs ever go any further? I very much doubt it!'"
It's possible to talk about Sheffield as SL candidate. It could happen. But even if it doesn't, does it invalidate their existence? There are some heartland clubs that have never played in the top division in their entire history. It comes down whether you enjoy SL or RL.
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| Quote ="Sarf Essex Taff"Sheffield and Crusaders have the ability to bus in ready made good quality semi-pro players. A semi-pro Broncos won't (if full time pros aren't willing to move to London from the north, why should a semi pro?). A squad of local players not bolstered with Antipodeans would have to be found, assuming that all but a few of the youngsters go (and that includes many of the young London products who no doubt will want to stay full time).
I am yet to be convinced there is a player pool in the south for Broncos, Skolars and Hemel all to have competitive teams and such a pool will undoubtedly diminish as one of the first casualties of a move from pro to the semi-pro will be the Broncos academy set up. The death or demotion of the Broncos would undoubtedly impact negatively on the competitiveness of Skolars and Hemel too.'"
London RL these days is strong enough that Broncos would have no need to bus in players from the north. You only have to look at how good the Broncos academy is. But having said that Oxford managed to attract a lot of Oldham lads to play for them.
The player pool in the heartlands probably isn't going to get much stronger in the next 5 years but London's will. There will be enough players.
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| Quote ="Halfdan of t'wide embrace" Whilst a fan run club is possible at lower levels I fear the wide geographic spread of our fan base makes it unlikely. Several have posted about Skolars and Hemel but remember Oxford and even Gloucestershire are closer for some of our fans.'"
Some fans may be lost to other clubs but surely there are enough living somewhere near the Hive.
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I just hope a southern presence in top level junior development can be maintained. With that there is always hope for the future and players for Championship teams. Without that player development will be a huge issue hindering the prospects of Southern RL for many a long year.'"
I suspect that it will.
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| Once Kevin Naiqama hears from Gower's lips the quality of Tony Rea, and Gus McKay, and the size of the home ground attendances, he will have no interest in coming to London.
What kind of Australian player would want to come to London now? Only an overweight, lazy trainer who doesn't like to tackle much and thinks he can get away with all that on a good salary in London.
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| Quote ="Hedgehog King"London RL these days is strong enough that Broncos would have no need to bus in players from the north. You only have to look at how good the Broncos academy is. But having said that Oxford managed to attract a lot of Oldham lads to play for them.
The player pool in the heartlands probably isn't going to get much stronger in the next 5 years but London's will. There will be enough players.'"
How do you suggest those players are going to be developed without an academy?
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| Quote ="Hedgehog King"I suspect that it will.'"
Based on what? Who will be funding it?
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| Sorry but I disagree about our junior development being ready to fully support Championship team.
The best Southern lads will move north or switch to RU for a living.
Our academy system is not yet churning out lots of lads who want to play Championship and are good enough to for all four southern teams - including us if we drop.
Oxford have recruited about 10 northern lads - the spine of the team. They also have about 20 southern lads. When they played North Wales about five of their the team had played less than 10 RL games. It's going to call for a bit of inginuity whilst the playing base down here develops but we are already a lot better off than we would have been five years ago.
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| Quote ="Sarf Essex Taff"Based on what? Who will be funding it?'"
The RFL have enough cash to fund an academy in London, they don't have the cash to fund a SL club with very poor crowds. I expect and hope to see Broncos academy playing the top SL sides even if Broncos drop a division (or even two).
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| Quote ="Halfdan of t'wide embrace"Sorry but I disagree about our junior development being ready to fully support Championship team.
The best Southern lads will move north or switch to RU for a living.
Our academy system is not yet churning out lots of lads who want to play Championship and are good enough to for all four southern teams - including us if we drop.
Oxford have recruited about 10 northern lads - the spine of the team. They also have about 20 southern lads. When they played North Wales about five of their the team had played less than 10 RL games. It's going to call for a bit of inginuity whilst the playing base down here develops but we are already a lot better off than we would have been five years ago.'"
The best southern lads will do as you suggest but there are more than enough for a semi-pro club.
How many northerners did Hemel need to recruit?
Are you suggesting that your academy isn't better than theirs?
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| Quote ="Hedgehog King"The RFL have enough cash to fund an academy in London, they don't have the cash to fund a SL club with very poor crowds. I expect and hope to see Broncos academy playing the top SL sides even if Broncos drop a division (or even two).'"
This is true and do-able. Sheffield and Featherstone have good academies. A team does not have to be in SL for an academy to thrive though it helps.
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| Quote ="poplar panther"This is true and do-able. Sheffield and Featherstone have good academies. A team does not have to be in SL for an academy to thrive though it helps.'"
Whitehaven and York have also run SL academies.
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| Quote ="Hedgehog King"The RFL have enough cash to fund an academy in London, they don't have the cash to fund a SL club with very poor crowds. I expect and hope to see Broncos academy playing the top SL sides even if Broncos drop a division (or even two).'"
Really? At the moment with the fall in Sports England funding and the number of employees being made redundant that is not an expectation I would have.
Of course the Sky money, which Broncos would have received, could go into paying for an academy. I'm sure the other SL clubs will agree and not just divide it up amongst themselves like they did with Bradford.
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| Quote ="Hedgehog King"Whitehaven and York have also run SL academies.'"
Neither are in the SL academies leagues (unlike Featherstone and Sheffield)
The vast majority of heartlands Championship clubs can't afford to fund set ups at that level.
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| Quote ="dredgie"Gosh..wonder how he made his millions then! Think its more a case of he is incapable of running a sport club'"
Perhaps its difficult not to make money out of trading gas.
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| It is time for the CEO to go as well, but maybe too late in the day to save LB
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| Our clubs incompetence is complete.
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| Gutted, best player by a mile. However, we need a home grown squad. The days of 34 year old overseas players has to end.
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| My GOUT campaign has been misread. It wasn't Gower Out.
Gutted - while he was here we had a dogs chance in games, now we have none. Can I be ar5ed to go to Gillingham?
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| There will be no SL in London from 2015 if not 14. The game will retreat to its limited gene pool and wither from any sort of national platform.
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| Quote ="Hedgehog King"The best southern lads will do as you suggest but there are more than enough for a semi-pro club.
How many northerners did Hemel need to recruit?
Are you suggesting that your academy isn't better than theirs?'"
I have huge respect for Hemel but this thread sees people talking about Championship not Championship 1 - where Hemel have benefitted from several Broncos lads on loan who certainly ain't London born.
Living in Aldershot I often watch our juniors and have seen the four southern Championship 1 teams this season. My honest belief is that we would currently struggle to field a competitive Championship unless we hold players who would almost certainly do better than Championship.
I should add that things are a lot better than they used to be and if the youth development can be maintained a good London Championship team is far from a pipe dream
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| I assume this is the ground Gus is looking at for us in Gillingham
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| Just to add to the fun - on twitter from a Wiganer:
[iA certain player has just pretty much confirmed that we've signed dan sargisson from London. Thoughts?[/i
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