I'm not obsessed with attendances Dave but of course the attendances affect the club in revenue, and if people don't turn up you have no atmosphere .

Cheers for that, always nice to know who can create a graph and who can't

And what has it got to do with you, your team, and Rugby League in general?

red chilli obviously falls into the latter category seeing as he robbed it from slstats.org.

.......that's an average so far of 3,392.

2009 average: 3436.

didn't DICK Lewis give Quins a 'pretend' warning over poor attendances just before this season began ?

Wakefield's average attendance this season is 6018. They have been playing at their current location for 131 years. That is 46 supporters for each year of their existence. I think we are doing alright at around the 800 mark.

Thanks for popping in.



I could explain to you that the club is losing 1.5 million a year (30k a week) and this is being swallowed by our benefactor. I could then go on to explain that we have a very british team in SL, the most british actually and we no longer have special treatment from the RFL with regard to overseas players, or even having a temporary stand errected at one end of our ground. I could probably ask you for proof that the RFL (who publish their accounts the same way we do) are giving us money, but what would be the point.
As for your wonderful graph which you essentially copied from the stats site and probably hosted on your facebook page...I have an even better table if you'd like to look at it. It shows all the crowds for London RL since 2000.....the seasons averages and lists them in the order of which team is the biggest draw. It highlights that we have terrible crowds and therefore should give you a hard on, as that seems to be the only criteria you're concerned about with regard to another club



Furthermore, I would like to applaud you for having the good sense to attack another clubs franchise worthiness after only just joining these forums. It often takes a few months to get to grips with the moods on these boards, but your keyboard prowess after only a dozen or so posts shows that you are a person with intelligence....or you just created another name to go trolling?
Your opinion has been noted and stored along with the other garbage we have had to put up with over the last 15 years from narrow minded pillox. Drive carefully now and ensure the door doesn't hit your ar'se on the way out.

I think the league should be expanded anyway. Get Toulouse and Widnes in. Look at a team in Dublin and a second London club.

then split teams into geographical divisions and have fewer but more important matches.

Championship clubs will not be put up against SL clubs, one club is guaranteed to be successful and will be told March 2011 haing applied against a deadline of december 2010. SL clubs applications will have to be submitted by April 2011 and they will be told July 2011

I didn't say they would be. The Championship clubs have to meet the first five criteria and whoever does will then be judged against the second set. The club scoring best on that set will then get a spot in SL.

But its not the case that Championship clubs won't be "put up" with Super League clubs. There is the separate selection for the one Championship club franchise, but any club not successful in this has the right then to apply for a franchise in the main selection process.

Although I'm a Cas fan I hope it's not Quins because I admire the way the club have knuckled down to help build something bigger, more sustainable for RL in London/SE than a quick-fix SL product. That said it is irksome to think anyone would replace us by virtue of more modern facilities which is the criterion that proves how truly soul-less and superficial our game has become at the top level...even mega-corporate soccer draws the line at such an artificial measure of worth/potential.

I wasn't going to name a personal favourite for exclusion because of the pain that fate will cause wherever it happens but the depth and extent will obviously be infinitely less for an embryonic club. So unless Crusaders are playing everygame in S Wales and not lodging on the fringe of the heartland I feel the risk of retaining them at the expense of a club like Cas in an area which epitomises the sport and produces so many great players is too great. If Cas are kicked out the marker is down for all smalltown clubs, SL will look very much like the suits always envisaged and it may only change for SKY inspired expansion purposes.

Yeah I certainly remember that number turning up for the games at Skolars

It's always amused me how the 'heartlands' supporters bang on and on about "away support".

I've seen then pop up here for many years, chanting their mantra about "we bring more away fans than you".

How about 2 Super League tables for these people?

We could have one, lesser, table. This could be based on a points system, with points for winning, drawing and perhaps none for losing.

Then we could have a 'proper', far more representative table with an award for "how many away fans did you bring this week?". Awards would be higher if they bought beer and burgers at the away ground. Maybe even a bonus if they came on the more expensive train, rather than the supporters coach. A man with a clipboard can count them in at the gate. Maybe a roving man could canvass the local pubs for away support, for even greater reward.I'm sure it'll catch on.

so, what you graph tells us that hkr have a mere 500 more travelling fans than catalans do? very poor in my opinion... and a far cry from the 1500 - 2000 you profess to follow your club.

I was under the impression your gate was a total of home and away fans

, pathetic attendance again tonight for Crusaders & Quins 1,122. how the RFL can justify you two in SL is unbelievable when Wakey & Cas are under threat .

Hull KR's away support is very very good as is Hull FC's to be fair , you know you will never reach the attendances that we do home & away, the RFL are flogging a dead horse with a London team it just isn't ever going to work , the RFL should review which clubs really are fit for SL.

No chance - word going round the three expansion teams are already assured of a place due to location.

That would be the usual word going around inside your head then, still, it's nice to see the answer to the question nobody asked showing up and putting his usual twopence worth in.

It's only what was reported in the Hull Daily Mail yesterday - they said the 3 expansion (experiment) clubs are safe, as are:

Saints
Leeds
Wigan
Wire
Bradford
Hull
Hull KR
Huddersfield

The others (Wakey etc) are wrongly left to battle it out.

Quins and Crusaders should go in my opinion.

Good point to be fair.

Homer...do you want me to check with the FC moderators who they use to deal with an infestation



FWIW, I hope nobody goes and widnes come up, but as it is, there are potentially 7 teams in the mix at the moment
Quins
Crusaders
Salford
Wakey
Castleford
HKR
Bradford

All have failings......ground, finance, fans etc....and all should be working very hard on plans to address their own issues without pointing the finger at others.

For example, if I were a fan of a team that played in a relic of a stadium, with temporary uncovered seating, had reported losses and debts to the tune of 3 million, had asked for special treatment when it comes to extra overseas players even though the RFL have made it clear they want more home grown players and had historical issues with fans behaviour and pitch invasions, I would be concentrating on getting my own house in order before having a go at a club that plays in a great Rugby stadium, has no debt (no even an overdraft), fielded the most british squad in superleague and has an award winning community and youth set up.........but hey, each to their own

what the **** are the RFL doing with agreeing NEVER to kick you 2 sides out of Sooper Dooper league - Attend: 1,122, there were more fans at Hunslet v Workington (have you lot heard of these sides) game last night on Sky, and it's 'down among the dead men' in the 3rd tier.
Welsh/Cockneys don't like Rugby League, pity that southern jessie DICK Lewis can't see this. Maybe if it would have been at Wrexham, with a later kick off, att. might have been 2500 !!!!

Quick, someone call rentokill.....the little blighters are everywhere