I read this more of a general ideal answer to a question posed, which given our transient past will always be asked IMO, what is slightly different and no doubt being considered at some level is post 2012 and opportunities arising for investment on the back of a succesful games.

In an ideal world we would own our own ground which would have a 365 revenue stream and we should not be scared of another move where all the required elements he lists have been put into place, the problem in the past has been moving grounds because we have been forced to by forces outside the clubs control. You also have to colour the comments with the current Trinity/Crusaders situation, where Trin are being shafted because they have no tangible assets [like us in our current situation but Crusaders could cut a reasonable deal as they own the ground.

Hats off to him for thinking longer term! Maybe this indicates the Quins thing is not working. I understand this was in Gus's remit when he started. How we will finance it, lord knows, but if Salford and Cas can do it why not us?

If we can't make the current set up work, then nothing will ever work. It would be madness to even consider moving away from our current location. All efforts should be directed into making what we have work, rather than dreaming up new plans.

Maybe the club doesn't have the choice.

Think Mr Lister is correct. Moving isnt the answer. we need to build crowds and success were we are, if we suceed than yes a groumnd of our own would be great, but where will the money come from to build a superleague standard stadium - we are talking serious money!

Perceived understanding that despite all good intentions West London/Twickenham will probably never come to embrace this sport enough as a community.

If we stay as we are under the circumstances we operate in, then we will never be able to be anything other than a hand to mouth outfit.

I got a feeling we may learn more on Rammo's show tonight.

I think it's obvious to Hughes that being Harlequins RL is not a tenable option in the long term. I wouldn't be surprised if there was a re-branding in 2012 in anticipation of a possible move. A stadium where you are the primary owners would be ideal, rent wouldn't be a big issue, nobody can kick you out, and you could take the earnings from the bars/food.

Unless DH has found a load of money down the back of the sofa or won the Euromillions I don't know how we can have our own ground, much as though I would love to see it.

I'm wondering if in the absence of Mark Evans at HRU are they less keen on having us around ? Is DH picking up a vibe that they want us to move out? I think the Stoop is a great stadium, in truth its the only thing about our becoming Harlequins that I like, but I wouldn't shed a single tear if we ended our current situation of having their name and their colours , and being able to move to our own ground as a stand alone London RLFC!

Thing is where would we go? Finding somewhere in London ain't gonna be easy (just ask AFC Wimbledon) so without ground sharing at another football club (maybe at a revamped Crystal Palace, without the running track?) the only other option I can think of would be if we could take over one of the Olympic facilities such as the hockey stadium post 2012. And thats going to start the 'we can't move away from West London' arguments !

The fact DH is actually going public about this is making me think our landlords want us to move on, maybe he's looking to get us a better long term deal elsewhere?

Is Tesco looking to build a store anywhere near by but having issues with planning?

They like to chuck in a "community" stadium to get around planning.

Funny you should say that, they were looking to build on the site of the old Woolwich Building Society HQ at Bexleyheath some time ago. Bit of a pig to get to on public transport though as there's no train or tube nearby.

What about West Hams ground if they are moving out?

Quote "The club currently ground share with rugby union club Harlequins at the Twickenham Stoop and will remain there for the next Super League licence period if their application is successful.

"That's our stadium for the three years," Hughes said." unquote

he is thinking long term, and has this not been what London broncos/quins/travellers allways aspired to? I dont think he is saying we are looking at building our own stadium in the near future, and if he turned round and said "nope this is it we are staying at the Stoop as long as the club survives" then he would look daft if we then did move

It has to be something we could strive for, purely on revue income from all the add ons that yr own ground has
we will see

Spot on.

I think that is harsh tbh. I stand by my comments. We should work with what we have and work with Harlequins RU to make a sustainable home for ourselves. Saracens managed, so did Sale, so did Leeds Carnegie etc. Why can't we?

This doesn't take 5 or 10 years, it takes more than that. Stating that after 5 years at the ground that Rugby League will never work in West London/Twickenham is ridiculous. It won't work anywhere in London within that time period. Moving again would be utter madness, unless we were absolutely forced into doing so by our landlord.

I'd assume they are selling the land for property much like ar*enal did with their old stadium to raise money for the club.

Would be great if we moved there though as it would half my journey time to home games!

DH said the stoop is our home for our next 3 year licence so we are just talking about long term speculation here but our own ground would be awesome, just hope wherever it is it's near a train station!

Watford have activated a clause kicking Saracens out of Vicarage Rd.
Sale managed to grab themselves a stadium when Brian Kennedy shafted Stockport County.
Leeds Carnegie are spending an extra £1million (they don't have) this season in a desperate bid to stay up because they can't afford to get relegated again. Bankrolled by the Rhinos no doubt.

My point was though that partnerships were set up and worked on, to relative success (for Saracens at least, wasn't aware they were being kicked out - any idea why?).

Leeds Carnegie aren't bankrolled by the Rhinos either.

If we don't make the Stoop work and build the fanbase over the next franchise I don't see how we could viably exist with our own stadium (unless outside SL). Thinking positively, if we did grow fanbase to a more sustainable level (5000+) would we really want to move outside West London and risk having to build numbers up again ?

There is no way our club as is it stands, or in 5 years, could support its own stadium. This is why it is essential we work WITH Harlequins RU and stay where were are for at least 20 years.

Hmmm...positive statement about the club owning its own ground but realistically, even if the "land" was delivered to us for free, we would need to raise 30 million + to have a chance of building a ground. Not sure where Brentford are with Lionel road, but that ground (or the alternative towards Feltham) was going to be backed by a mix of private and council money......maybe there are stll discussions regarding that?
As someone else has said, Tesco have no problem bolting community projects on to mega-store plans to smooth the path of planning permission. I have always said the club need to be at a self sufficent stage of about 7,000 to 10,000 fans to be attractive to other investors...and to own our own ground we would need other investors without a doubt. Maybe this is the year that they actually do something about it with the campaign in METRO............

As examples of new stadium's Chesterfiled FC 10,300 capacity [url=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/B2net_Stadiumstadium[/url cost around £13million to build. Whilst Colchester United FC 10,000 capacity [url=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Colchester_Community_Stadiumstadium[/url Cost aroud £14 million to build.

Not sure that either figure included purchase of land to build on but both clubs owned their previous homes which I dare say gave them a bit of leverage during negotiations.

What did Halliwell Jones cost Warrington when it was buit in 2002/3???

I reckon by the time we ever got around to building a ground it would cost at least £1900 - 2000 per seat for a 10 - 15k capacity stadium.

A new stadium and proper home would be the best possible thing for RL in London. I can't believe anyone would suggest otherwise. Great news that this is an ambition.

Leyton Orient to move into the olympic stadium with West Ham freeing up Orients ground for RL in the east end of london.